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No, I'm not disagreeing with you. The timeline looks like Picasso, Braque, Apolinaire then Pound. Talking about mangling facts, but every art history I read that mentioned Apollinaire insisted that he would get the art wrong. Re: assemblage v collage, I read today that assemblage is 3D. And my Glasgow Application reads assemblage throughout ... ah well, one for the interview the week after next. BTB, I just got accepted onto the BA course at Cardiff. Roger On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Roger: Not sure if you're disagreeing with me, but if so I'd say you're > not, at least in so far as I agree with you. > > So many more collage structures, long poems many of them, followed on from > the Cantos. I'd argue, for example (if only as a reader coming to them thru > the Cantos, Maximus, & so many others, that Benjamin's Arcades Project is > just such a collage/long poem.... > > All of which has little if anything to do with 'what' Pound 'incorporated > in his collage, much of which is junk. If I read you aright, however, he > couldnt help that anyway, & any of us trying something similar will have to > import a lot of junk, along with the diamonds, into whatever we > constructed.... > > Doug > > On 1-Apr-08, at 12:24 PM, Roger Day wrote: > > > > Apologies for bringing this dead horse back to life, but I have one > > last thing to say. > > > > To me, it isn't a failure for the wedges of prose to sit undigested by > > the poetic technique. I don't know if Pound consciously wrote in a > > collage style, but to me his cantos are the poetic equivalent of an > > assemblage. So to me, it isn't strange; it's mirroring fragmented, > > undigested reality, bringing together different representations of > > reality and housing them under a cantos. You can do this with images; > > it's more radical with representations. Pound's Cantos are the > > equivalent of Rauschenberg's assemblages, Charles Ives music. Reality > > has been fragmented, and remains fragmented. Attempts to put Humpty > > Dumpty back together again a la Arvo Part amount to mere nostalgia. > > > > So I guess we agree to disagree. > > > > > Douglas Barbour > [log in to unmask] > > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > Latest books: > Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > Wednesdays' > > http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html > > to rid me of > the ugh in > thought > i spell anew > weave the world > out of the or > binary > > bpNichol > -- My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ "She went out with her paint box, paints the chapel blue She went out with her matches, torched the car-wash too" The Go-Betweens