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Dear Ken One year later still we discuss this but unfourtunatly there is no advance. I repeat my view again after several reaction here 1. Disemination we must consider AHI and SCI indexed journal only because of cite reasons for real dissemination. Of course there are 111 journals but there is only 5 or 10 AHI and SCI indexed journal only in this classification . Maybe this 111 journals are quite valuable but the problem is citing according to Bologne process. 2. Of course I dont mean all master and PhD must publish in this way. This is compututaion. The computution brings quality compared with EU and USA high end dissemination. Solution: We need to establish more design journal which can be accapted by ISIS. I can not see this afford yet to achive Bologne Process Oguzhan -- From: Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]> Date: 03 Nisan 2008 Perşembe 11:25:10 GMT+03:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Research student publishing -- Repost from 28 April 2007 Reply-To: Ken Friedman <[log in to unmask]> Friends, Following my post, Oguzhan raised a relevant point. His comment and my reply follow. Ken -- Oguzhan Ozcan wrote: ENQUA and ERASMUS says all of research activities must be ¨high qualty international disseminated¨. and all EU idea is develop rules until 2010 to compute with north american research dissemination Therefore there is no certain rule. But Turkish Authority look at all these and interpret PhD research must need to be published in indexed journal. For instance Illinois Institute of Technology, Institute of Design requires 1 intentional quality conference paper before qualification exam, high quality 2 journal published article before submission of PhD. Looking at this example, Turkish Authority looks at these Research University and ask us what we must do in design research. Therefore my original question what is your process.... What other Countries thinks what other European University develops what rules. There is no argument if design research need publication. The time is now to decide how many publication and what is the quality level as looking at North American University until 2010 -- Ken Friedman answered: Dear Oguzhan, Thank you for the clarification. I will answer all the remaining questions over the next few days. There is one issue I can answer now -- In my long post, I described the challenges of publishing that doctoral students will face, especially if they work in a second language. I think the policy is foolish, but I am not arguing against the policy. I am not a Bologna delegate, an education minister, or even a rector or dean, so I am not in a position to argue. A policy is a policy. In itself, the policy would not be bad IF students got the supervision, training, and experience they need to meet this criterion. In most programs, European doctoral students do not get the training they need. In design, the problem is worse for reasons I will explain. I understand the fact that many governments and universities seem to be implementing this policy. Therefore, my caution -- my argument, if you will -- is with the design schools rather than with the policy. If doctoral students in design are to meet the new standard that you warn us about, we must teach them how to write and publish to journal standards. If we do not, they will not pass the review process at any good journal, they will not publish, and they will not graduate. For reasons I will explain in my detailed response, we will have a difficult time setting up a new and different set of metrics to all other metrics in all other fields. This is particularly the case because many design research fields ARE also designated under other names with strong journal traditions, and because many design research scholars publish in several fields. We cannot expect doctoral students to do what we cannot do, and we cannot expect them master skills that our program do not teach. A school that treats this new requirement without the solid commitment and preparation that student publishing requires will find that this new system generates difficulties for the students. It will finally damage the school. Schools that take the requirement seriously can use it to make serious advances and improvements. This will happen if and only if they give students the skills, training, and support they need to meet the new requirement. In a day or so, I will post a series of notes that answer your original question with some discussions of how and why. I will also answer some of the questions that have emerged during the past week or so, partly based on my own experience teaching doctoral students and younger faculty how to write and how to publish. Yours, Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE