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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Jesus in the S. Clemente figure has a rotulus, surely. I have blown the S. Susanna picture way up with Gimp, & while the thing Jesus is holding is still not perfectly clear, it looks like a rotulus to me. The thing the central woman/Mary is holding looks very like a Byzantine scarf/handkerchief with a decorative woven band at each end. After experimentation with Gimp on the S. Clemente image, I would guess that the woman [Sta. Theodora as Mary] also holds one. DW Robert Kraft wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > Very interesting, for purposes other than clothing. I've just finished > a draft of a presentation on the perceptions of "book" as ancient > (horizontal) scroll technology gradually gave way to codex format. > Usually, after the 6th or 7th century, scrolls are depicted as > vertical rotuli (writing parallel to the short edge) or as "ribbons." > Do I see in the image you gave a rolled up scroll in the hands of the > central figure (Jesus?)? I hope so, although it is not clear whether > the artist had in view a horizontal type or a rotulus. > > For my draft presentation, which still needs notes identifying the > images and crediting them, see > http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/publics/codex/ > > Corrections, identifications, and additional suggestions are most > welcome. > > Bob Kraft, UPenn > > Diana Wright wrote: >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> culture >> >> 6th century is, I think, a beginning date. There is this from S. >> Clemente, Rome, apparently 9thC. http://tinyurl.com/5flj3y I have >> seen photos of a couple of others, which I cannot now locate. >> >> DW >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> Good eye. To my relatively untrained arthistorical mind, it reminds >>> me of some of the Hagia Sofia and/or Ravenna images (6th century; >>> Justinian's time). Long live informed skepticism. >>> >>> Bob Kraft, UPenn >>> >>> Diana Wright wrote: >>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>>> culture >>>> >>>> Christopher Crockett wrote >>>>> Santa Susanna one may see remains of the paleochristian church. A >>>>> sarcophagus >>>>> discovered there has been found to contain fragments of painted >>>>> plaster, one >>>>> of which is shown here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/23y7uy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Is there any other Virgin & Child that early, other than the little >>>> catacomb painting, with the Star? Any pre-Constantinople Roman >>>> female images with such garments? >>>> >>>> Skepticism happens. >>>> >>>> DW >>>> >>> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >> to: [log in to unmask] >> To send a message to the list, address it to: >> [log in to unmask] >> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >> to: [log in to unmask] >> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >> [log in to unmask] >> For further information, visit our web site: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html