Stepping away from CC* and discussions of particular licences... How do we get the "technologists, legal experts, managers, accountants and marketers" Nick mentioned, and Naomi's "geeky copyright friends" and experts together with the museum geeks, collections and curatorial people so that we can work out sustainable and fair models for dealing with the different issues around (probably) orphaned works and those we hold copyright for that might have a value both as commercial products and as freely available content? It's clear that there's no single solution, but this thread and related conversations have made it clear that we need to be proactive about resolving these issues; whether because we're going to face pressure to respond to the latest buzzwords, because we think it's the right thing to do for our content and audiences, because we need plain language explanations for potential users so that they can do the right thing by our content, or because the economic apocalypse is coming. As the pdf of the final report of "Usage of Creative Commons by cultural heritage organisations" (http://www.eduserv.org.uk/foundation/studies/cc2007) says: "The complexities of copyright law and the technicalities of licensing pose difficulties for those wishing to make use of an open content licence - or to develop a website copyright policy reflective of the organisation's stance on use and re-use. Several respondents noted a desire for tools to find out the appropriate application of open content licences. As many of the respondents operate without a designated person to deal with copyright issues, easily accessible content on copyright and licensing will be needed." Finally, and I should probably put this in a different email, but does anyone know whether a promise of "immediate takedown" helps satisfy due diligence issues? cheers, Mia (shutting up now, honestly) Mia Ridge Database Developer, Museum Systems Team Museum of London Group 46 Eagle Wharf Road London. N1 7ED Tel: 020 7410 2205 / 020 7814 5723 Fax: 020 7600 1058 Email: [log in to unmask] www.museumoflondon.org.uk Museum of London is changing; our lower galleries will be closed while they undergo a major new development. Visit www.museumoflondon.org.uk to find out more. London's Burning - explore how the Great Fire of London shaped the city we see today www.museumoflondon.org.uk/londonsburning Before printing, please think about the environment ************************************************** For mcg information and to manage your subscription to the list, visit the website at http://www.museumscomputergroup.org.uk **************************************************