medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

To all - this is enormously helpful.  I simply cannot thank you enough.
The Artfl project also turns out to be a good resource.
Many many thanks - and if there is more information to be had, please send it along. My thanks is not, I hope, an indication that this discussion need be over.
cecilia


M.C.Gaposchkin, Ph.D. History, Dartmouth College


Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:28:30 +0000
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Subject: Re: [M-R] Scholarly origin of the word "Capetian"
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Cecilia,

Forgive me if this is one of the works you consulted, but if it isn't, perhaps there is something that could be useful to you, especially if you can find the present-day shelf mark for what was once ms. Paris, Bibliothèque du Roi, 1227 (or, as entered below, I[that's a capital 'I']227.

According to Gilles Ménage, Les Origines de la Langue Française, 1650:
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CAPET
Surnom d'vn de nos Roys. Il y a diuersité d'opinions touchant l'origine de ce surnom. Dans vne Chronique manuscrite qui est dans la Bibliotheque du Roy, cottée I227. dans la Galerie, et qui m'a esté communiquée par Messieurs du Puy, dignes Gardes de cette Bibliorheque, il est dit que Huë Capet fut ainsi surnommé, parce que, comme il estoit enfant, il ne cessoit d'oster aux enfans leurs chaperons. Le President Bertrand croit que ce fut acause de sa grosse teste. *Capitonum cognomina à capite dicta Cicero auctor est lib. I. de Natura Deorum. Primus Ateiorum; quòd magno capite esset*, il parle d'Ateius Capito, *Capitonis nomen ipsi tributum ad posteros transmisit, peculiari Romanorum more apud quos cognomina ab euentu vni ex quadam familia tradita, ad posteros eius familiæ propagantur. Sic Silones, sic Scæuolas, sic Labeones, Syllas, aliosque innumeros dictos fuisse apud auctores legimus. Quem quidem morem veteres Galli non retinuere. Non enim posteros Hugonis Capeti Capetos dictos reperimus, licet eadem ratione à Gallis Capetus, quà Ateius à Romanis Capito nuncupatus sit. Sic Caroli Martelli successores Martelli cognomen non vsurpauere*, etc. C'est en la vie d'Ateius Capiro. Ainsi Milcolombe III. Roy d'Escosse fut surnommé *Canmore* acause de sa grosse teste, car CAN en Escossois signifie *teste*, et MORE *grand*. Et à ce propos il est à remarquer que les anciens François imposoient d'ordinaire les surnoms de quelque defaut corporel, comme l'a fort bien remarqué Buchanan liure VII. de son Histoire d'Escosse en la vie de Milcolombe III. de qui nous venons de parler: *Sunt qui tradant tum primùm cœptum, vt nobiliores ab agris cognomina sumerent, quod equidem falsum puto, cùm ea consuetudo ne nunc quidem apud priscos Scotos sit recepta: totáque tum Scotia prisco sermone et institutis vteretur. Loco verò cognominis, more Græcorum, patris nomen proprio subijciebant: aut ex euentu aliquo notaue corporis aut animi vocabulum affingebant: eumdémque tum fuisse morem Gallis indicant illa regia cognomenta Crassi, Calui, Balbi: item multarum nobilium in Anglia familiarum cognomina, eorum maximè qui circa eadem hæc tempora Gulielmum Normanum secuti in Anglia sedes posuerunt. Apud reliquos etiam Gallos serò mos cognomina ab agris ducendi receptus videtur, vt ex Frossardi, scriptoris minimè contemnendi, historia intelligi potest*. Les Escossois vsent encore apresent de *Capet* pour *testu*, *opiniastre*, ce que j'ay appris de M. Salmonnet auec plusieurs autres choses plus considerables, et ce qui ne confirme pas peu l'opinion du President Bertrand. Ie ne la tiens pourtant pas veritable, ce mot de *Capet* n'ayant pas la terminaison d'vn augmentatif selon nostre Langue, et ie suis de l'auis de M. Besly, qui dans son Histoire des Comtes de Poictou pag. 48. dit que Huë Capet depuis le iour de fon Sacre ne porta jamais Couronne, se contentant du titre Royal comme il se voit dans Robert d'Auxerre, et qu'il fut surnommé Capet acause qu'il portoit tousiours vn chapeau.
*Capa*, *capetta*, *capettus*, CAPET. Il est vray qu'il se trouue à saint Maur prés de Paris vn ancien titre auec vn seau où est l'effigie de Huë Capet couronnée, mais à cela on peut dire qu'on represente ordinairement les Roys dans leurs seaux comme ils sont vestus le iour de leur Sacre, et non pas comme ils le sont dans leur à tous les iours.
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Best wishes, George

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George FERZOCO
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On 8 Mar 2008, at 22:50, cecilia gaposchkin wrote:

medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture

Dear all,

I'm surprised that I 1) don't know this and 2) can't find the answer in the various relevant books in my office. I am trying to figure out when the Capetians started being called Capetians.  The origins of the term, of course, goes back to Hugh Capet, and from him (so my books say) St. Martin's cappa (though that strikes me as potentially invented). But in their own time they were called Robertians, and I would like to know when they began being called Capetians - or any version of that in whatever language. Does anyone know?

Cecilia


M.C.Gaposchkin, Ph.D. History, Dartmouth College



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