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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Jim, in your work on Marian shrines, have you been looking at designs of pilgrim badges? There is a copy of a badge in the Bray Hours (photo on p 188 of Richard Marks, Image and Devotion) showing the Virgin and Child in a little tabernacle shrine in a tree. I would dearly love to think that this was the shrine at Penrhys in the Rhondda but I'm aware that there were a number of other miraculous-statue-in-tree shrines that it could be. On the other hand it isn't like the Le Puy badges in Spencer. Maddy Dr Madeleine Gray Senior Lecturer in History School of Education/Ysgol Addysg University of Wales, Newport/Prifysgol Cymru, Casnewydd Caerleon Campus/Campws Caerllion, PO /Blwch Post 179 Newport/Casnewydd NP18 3YG Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675 'You may not be able to change the world but at least you can embarrass the guilty' (Jessica Mitford) ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture on behalf of jbugslag Sent: Sat 22/03/2008 1:50 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] help with Bishops John Hales (d1490) and Richard Hill (d1496) medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > I am really hoping you will be able to help me identify two churches > to which Bishop Richard Hill of London (1489-96) left vestments. They > appear to be St Mary 'de Liaunnes/Liaumes/Lianntes' and St Nicholas > 'de Lortn'. I cannot identify them with any church he is know to have > held or any London benefice. I think he may have joined Henry Tudor > in exile, because he was deprived of his benefices after Buckingham's > revolt in 1483 and was dean of the chapel royal as soon as Henry > became king. Do any of our members in France/Brittany have any ideas? Dear Rosemary, I have been trying to gather information on Marian shrines in England for a while -- no easy task after several hundred years of efforts to assign English medieval pilgrimage sites to oblivion. There were quite a few Marian shrines in and around London, but I am not aware of any that fit your bill. In France, Laon and Liesse are about the closest I can think of. I wonder if "Liaunnes" might actually be something like "Les aunes", since Marian shrines were quite often associated with trees. Its a bit undigested, but if you wish, I could send you the material I have for London and environs. Cheers, Jim Bugslag ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html