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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture And you are right. yrs, c.t.ault On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:06:00 -0500 Christine Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >culture > >For Oedipus, I thought oida- meant swollen and -pus referred to foot. > > Christine Gray > > -----Original Message----- >From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious > culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana >Wright > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:03 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [M-R] deformed ruler > > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >culture > >For the Byzantines, it was blinding, because a blind person could not >be > an emperor or a priest. I think the nose thing was just insulting. > > Blinding was important. The Byzantine Emperor had first to be >accepted > by the army [then by the Senate] & presumably the army did not >accept > one incapable of leading the army. > > I have ever understood why blinding is considered emasculation. > That is > so often said about Oedipus, too, but the Greeks really could tell >the > difference. In Oedipus, blinding has to do with knowing -- the >first > part of the name Oida- means "I saw" and "I know," & Oedipus has >taunted > T-whose-name-I-cannot-spell with blindness. I think blinding for >the > Byzantines combines a memory of that with the OT requirement that > sacrificial animals be unblemished. I could be wrong. But >physical > impediments did not necessarily prevent one from becoming emperor -- > there was Michael the Stammerer [though it more reliably translates >as > speech-impaired -- we don't know if he stammered or lisped or what]. > > DW > > > > > > > Kevin Teo wrote: >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>culture >> >> As far as I know, the mutilation of the body specifically the nose) >>in > Byzantine culture, when committed upon a dethroned basileus, was a >form of > "emasculation", and it was a means of statement with regards to the > inability of the deformed basileus to rule anymore. >> >> Kevin Jang >> >> --- Ms B M Cook <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>> culture >>> >>> But does it have anything to say about moral depravity (eg incest) >>> or mental >>> retardation ? >>> >>> BMC >>> >>> >>> >>>> I find nothing about birth defects in: >>>> >>>> Edward Peters, The Shadow King: Rex inutilis in medieval law and >>>> literature (Yale UPr, 1970). >>>> >>>> Tom Izbicki >>>> >>>> >>>>> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >>>>> >>> culture >>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if the fact that a heir in a county, duchy or >>>>> >>> even >>> >>>>> kingdom >>>>> was deformed, f.i. hunchbacked, could prevent him from >>>>> >>> succeeding? Could >>> >>>>> that have been a biblical or canonical nono? Still a duke like >>>>> >>> Godfrey >>> >>>>> III >>>>> of Lotharingia (+1076) was called the Hunchback. 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