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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture For images of the statue of Jude Thaddeus in St John Lateran, visit: http://fototeca.iccd.beniculturali.it/OGGFOTOENGWEB/SDW?W%3DMTRLEG% 3D2793 As to method of martyrdom: my recollection is that he was thoroughly bashed with a club before having his head opened with an ax. Nice. George -- George FERZOCO list owner, medieval-religion [log in to unmask] On 29 Feb 2008, at 23:44, Marjorie Greene wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Roland, Are you sure Judas is there? If so, what is Matthias doing > there? Are you sure Jude Thaddeus isn't the one you identify as > Judas? Showing Judas at all except at Last Supper or alone is most > unusual. And showing him as you describe is incredible. Apostles > are frequently depicted with the instruments of their martyrdom. > I've been unable to discover either how Saint Jude was martyred (if > at all) or what his statue at Saint John Lateran looks like. > Anyone else? > MG > > > Marjorie Greene > http://medrelart.shutterfly.com > > > -- Roland Geiger <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Hello, > > Maybe the whole matter has nothing to do with religion but with art or > better construction ot the tumba. > > Examining the figures and the script on the stone I realized last > week that > there may have been various skilled craft at work. > > Take the art of writing letters (of the names). St. Wendelin (the > only one > with an "s" in front of his name) has the "S" crossed by another > line which > makes no sense if it was not a writing for "St" in one letter or > two signs on > the spot of one letter. Take "Iudas" and "Iohannes" but "Jacob" - > thus first > two with an "I" but the other one with a "J". And a weird "J" - > the upper part > as long as the downgoing part. It seems as if the painter of the > names had no > idea what he was painting. > > Now take Iudas (Iskarioth). His symbol should be a purse. But > instead of > that the figure carrying his name wears a book (like all the > others) and a sword > in his left hand pointing upward. > > Maybe they displayed Paulus instead of Judas but the painter of the > names > mixed it up completely. And gave the figure which may be Jakobus > the younger > (James the less) the name "Iudas". Or years or centuries later the > letters had > to be re-painted and they screwed it up then being confused about the > presence of Paulus as I got. > > It may not be the best explanation but the best I could find :-) > > Yours > > Roland Geiger, St. Wendel, Germany > [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) > > PS: By the way: In case someone of you wants to come to St. Wendel > and see > the original, just tell me, and I'll be happy to show you around. > We are > located nearly in the middle between the ancient town of Trier at > the Moselle River > and Ramstein Air Force Base near K'town, Germany. > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > _____________________________________________________________ > Right on time. Click now for great project management software! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/ > Ioyw6iieeGrgmmG1ms9gpPbem23P3Gye7LvQ42K1R2UHKyBbrNcCQ7/ > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html