medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Then there's always Chaucer's Pardoner. In
my field at least (Middle English literature), there's a growing recognition
that the _reception_ of medieval topics is part and parcel of the process of
evaluating the historical claims made about the literature and culture. As a
pedagogical concern, I find ample and compelling parallels between medieval
discussions of the relative truth or fabrication of historical claims about
relics and a number of contemporary discussions important to contemporary religious
culture.
I know we've had this discussion before,
with strong opinions expressed all around, and the question is never fully
resolved, as it should not be.
Which makes me wonder (and you can address
me offline, if you wish), is there a critical mass of folks interested in a
'medievalism' listserv, where post-medieval transformations of medieval ideas
would be the heart of the discussion?
Best from
Dan
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
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Blows my mind too. Does anyone really base their faith on these things?
It seems to me that this is not the issue and would be an unproductive
direction for discussion. Henk asserted that all relics are fakes and unworthy
of scientific study except as a religio-cultural phenomenon. Many relics are
certainly fakes (necessarily at least all except one when there are multiple
heads of a single saint, etc., etc. -- medieval commentators already made many
such critiques). It seems, however, on the evidence, that some relics are not
fakes, even some quite ancient ones.
I cannot agree with Karl Brunner that the "truth" or authenticity of
a relic is not a historical question, even though the cult of relics, whether
they were true or false, is no doubt the more interesting area of study. If the
results of the Padova study are accepted, for example, we may have additional,
interdisciplinary evidence for a very early beginning to the Christian cult of
relics, predating the earliest literary evidence by two or three generations
(if I'm not mistaken; I'm thinking of the Martyrdom of Polycarp, ca. 167). This
is surely not an insignificant historical finding. The new results may also
provide criteria for a re-evaluation of other data. For example, the late
tradition about Luke's burial place in
Not all medieval people were totally credulous. At least some of them were
concerned that the relics presented for their veneration should not be
fraudulent. Bernardino of Siena, just to mention one, preached caustically
against fake, implausible and impossible relics (and the credulity associated
with them), but he was not at all opposed to relics or perhaps even to
credulity in other matters. So as a historical question, the issue of
authenticity has a history even in the Middle Ages. Insofar as the cult of
relics is still living today, authenticity remains a historical issue. Many
devout people today would certainly not wish to venerate fraudulent relics, any
more than they would wish, say, to visit their mother's grave or Napoleon's
tomb or the battlefield of Ypres and find that they had been deceived and that
it was really somewhere else. In this case, authentication is a historical
service.
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