Just to muddy the
waters a little more…
General consensus
here is that it might not be the 8th Army 'Desert Rats' you're looking at, as
we are pretty sure the Desert Rats never fought the Japanese. However,
there's an interesting bit on Wikipedia about the 'Rats of Tobruk' many of whom
were ANZACs and eventually fought against all three of the Axis powers: The 9th Australian Division served in
Tobruk and got the nickname the Rats of Tobruk and was one of the few Allied units
who served against the Germans and Italians in North Africa and the against Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rats_of_Tobruk
And Richy found this:
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/tobruk.htm
which gives details and shows
some rat-shaped memorabilia made by some of the soldiers.
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Dear all
Thanks very much
for all your responses! You have certainly helped me understand this
object better, and I am sure that the enquirer will be delighted to know more
about it as well.
For anyone else
who has been following the discussion with interest it is worth adding some
information from Keith Matthews at York Castle Museum who agrees that the rat
is an emblem of the Desert Rats. He says that such items were often
produced in field workshops from scrap, often from looted sources, or from the
battlefield.
Many thanks once
again
Ellenor
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Hi folks
My money would be
on this being a piece of post-Second World War memorabilia produced by/for a
member of the UK's 7th Armoured Division, the Desert Rats. The rat
(actually a Jerboa) was/is their unit emblem. They fought in North Africa and
in NW Europe and were (I think) distinguished in fighting against Germany,
Italy and Japan.
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Dear
Eleanor,
The
non-Nazi crosses do appear in Japanese, Chinese & many
cultures, pre-dating the Nazi usage. I'm not sure about the sources in the
link below, but it gives you an idea:
The
giant rat brings to mind one of Sherlock Holmes' unrecorded cases - that of
'the giant rat of Sumatra'. I just wondered whether this could be
something created for a Holmes enthusiast.
If
the symbol was actually a Nazi swastika rather than non-Nazi cross, the combination
of a Japanese flag, a swastika & a fascist symbol is a little
worrying. Hitler was known to be a Sherlock Holmes fan - it is reputed that he
had a copy of the 1937 German version of The Hound of the Baskervilles in the
bunker...
It's
a thought.
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wishes,
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Dear all
I was wondering if anyone
could shed any light on the significance of this object. It was brought
into Lancaster City Museum for identification. It seems to be a
paperweight or desk decoration, but we are quite puzzled about the flags and
the rat. One flag is a Japanese naval ensign, the other looks like a
swastika but we think it pre-dates the symbol's use by the Nazis, and I have no
idea what is on the third flag. Anyone have any ideas what the collection
of symbols and the menacing giant rat might mean?!
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