I would be inclined rather to look at 7.1G Items without a collective title, which refers to motion pictures and videorecordings as chapter 6 is for sound recordings - if the material was recorded off television rather than radio. Best wishes Sheila Sheila Scott (Cataloguer) The Georgina Scott Sutherland Library The Robert Gordon University Garthdee Road Aberdeen AB10 7QE email : [log in to unmask] Tel : 01224 263461 The Robert Gordon University, a Scottish charity registered under charity number SCO 13781. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Bibliographic standards in UK libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LIS-UKBIBS automatic digest system Sent: 02 February 2008 00:04 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: LIS-UKBIBS Digest - 31 Jan 2008 to 1 Feb 2008 (#2008-7) There are 2 messages totalling 602 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings 2. LIS-UKBIBS Digest - 30 Jan 2008 to 31 Jan 2008 (#2008-6) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 15:55:36 -0000 From: "Cooper, Gill" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings Hi Jane=20 I catalogued off-air recordings many moons ago. My advice would be to go for 3 separate records, as what you are dealing with here are "unpublished" recordings, which are bibliographically unrelated - they just happen to have been put on the same tape. AACR calls them "nonprocessed sound recordings" and defines that in a footnote at the bottom of 6.4C2 as a "noncommercial recording that generally exists in unique copy". There are a few references to them from the index, all to Ch. 6, but nothing very helpful. 1.1G2 and 7.1G2 would only be applicable if you were cataloguing a commercially published recording, Hope this helps, Gill E-Media Cataloguer -----Original Message----- From: Bibliographic standards in UK libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Emly Sent: 31 January 2008 08:42 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings Hi Jane I'd take AACR2 rule 1.1G2 as my starting point and would incline to the option of 3 separate linked records if your system is able to handle that option OK (though it does depend on how full a catalogue record you typically create as to how easy and effective it would be to use just 1 single record for the whole tape. If you do go for 1 record, then rule 1.1G3 gives an example of how to record the title and 7.1G2 gives an example for a video. And of course all these rules refer on to other rules for related issues (like recording extent). BTW the ERA licence requires a header with details for each programme - I presume that the tape complies with that requirement. Hope this helps. Michael=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bibliographic standards in UK libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Daniels Sent: 30 January 2008 14:52 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings Hi, Does anyone have any experience of cataloguing off-air recordings where programmes from different series have been recorded onto 1 tape? I have a tape with the following programmes recorded on it: Classic Trucks Part 6 Monsters Visions of Heaven and Hell Part 3 Virtual Wasteland Secret Lives Part 1 Walt Disney I'm wondering what the 245 should look like! Can anyone offer advice or point me to some online examples please? Thanks! Jane Daniels Information Advisor - Cataloguing UWIC ************************************************************************ *= * =20 Experience the British Library online at www.bl.uk =20 The British Library's new interactive Annual Report and Accounts 2006/07 = : www.bl.uk/mylibrary =20 Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. = www.bl.uk/adoptabook =20 The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled =20 ************************************************************************ *= =20 The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be = legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. 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UWIC -----Original Message----- From: Bibliographic standards in UK libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LIS-UKBIBS automatic digest system Sent: 01 February 2008 00:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: LIS-UKBIBS Digest - 30 Jan 2008 to 31 Jan 2008 (#2008-6) There are 2 messages totalling 395 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings 2. FW: RHS library visit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:42:19 -0000 From: Michael Emly <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings Hi Jane I'd take AACR2 rule 1.1G2 as my starting point and would incline to the option of 3 separate linked records if your system is able to handle that option OK (though it does depend on how full a catalogue record you typically create as to how easy and effective it would be to use just 1 single record for the whole tape. If you do go for 1 record, then rule 1.1G3 gives an example of how to record the title and 7.1G2 gives an example for a video. And of course all these rules refer on to other rules for related issues (like recording extent). BTW the ERA licence requires a header with details for each programme - I presume that the tape complies with that requirement. Hope this helps. Michael=3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Bibliographic standards in UK libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jane Daniels Sent: 30 January 2008 14:52 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cataloguing Off-Air Recordings Hi, Does anyone have any experience of cataloguing off-air recordings where programmes from different series have been recorded onto 1 tape? I have a tape with the following programmes recorded on it: Classic Trucks Part 6 Monsters Visions of Heaven and Hell Part 3 Virtual Wasteland Secret Lives Part 1 Walt Disney I'm wondering what the 245 should look like! Can anyone offer advice or point me to some online examples please? Thanks! Jane Daniels Information Advisor - Cataloguing UWIC ----------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:58:41 -0000 From: "Danskin, Alan" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: FW: RHS library visit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C863E7.7A34F336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI ________________________________ From: Cataloguing and Indexing Group Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diane Tough Sent: 30 January 2008 11:10 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: RHS library visit Dear all =3D20 I have advertised the RHS visit with Cilip and a few mailing lists but if someone else could send the details around a few other lists I would be grateful. =3D20 Library visit =3D20 Cilip Cataloguing & Indexing group visit to Lindley library, Royal Horticultural Society on 21st February, 14.00-16.30 Free. =3D20 The Lindley Library is the best gardening library in the world, essential for horticulture, garden history and gardening. 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