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You do get instances in fiction films when 'real' footage is cut into the main narrative. This can be a cost-saving device for large crowd scenes, for example. I can't think of specific films, but we have often watched a film where documentary footage is shown in an establishing shot of, say, a sports stadium, and is then followed by a more limited shot of the crowd where our protagonists are acting. You might also consider many unplanned moments in Italian neo- realism, where real crowds of non-actors and unstaged spaces provide the backdrops for the narrative action. Rosselini's was trilogy, for example. Finally, there is a moment in Robert Flaherty's staged documentary Man of Aran where Pegeen Mike, played by a non-professional, genuinely gets into trouble as a wave engulfs her and one of the other actors drags her out of the swell by the hair. * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **