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Dear all I spoke to Chris Hedges from the Home Office at the ESOL FOrum meeting on Wed. His line was a) bogus organisations - the Home Office are aware of the problem and a former learner is about to take them to court (which we know). But, in the end, there is no system of monitoring or approving organisations that offer courses to prepare people for citizenship. b) Immigration service not recognising E1 Certificates, asking for different letters etc. - this is in hand, there were some new staff, they have had training. He also said there was an element of 'urban myth' and that the same stories seemed to be circulating and to let him know details of any cases as they arise and he'll try and deal with them. Helen Helen Sunderland Head of ESOL Assistant Director, LLU+ London South Bank University 103 Borough Road London SE1 0AA tel. +44 (0)207 815 6285 fax. +44 (0)207 815 6296 LLU+ (formerly London Language and Literacy Unit) Why not visit our website at ww.lsbu.ac.uk/lluplus -----Original Message----- From: ESOL-Research discussion forum and message board on behalf of James Simpson Sent: Wed 27-Feb-08 08:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: FW: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of fortress Europe [from Celine Castelino, ABNI] ________________________________ From: celine castelino [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wed 27/02/2008 01:14 To: Fatma Alioua; James Simpson Cc: [log in to unmask]; Patel Bharti (ABNI) Subject: RE: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of fortress Europe Dear All ABNI does not approve or accredit courses nor, as far as I am aware, does the Home Office. The Home Office clearly sets out the requirements for citizenship on its websites and the information it sends out to candidates as reiterated by Fatma. ABNI and the Life in the UK group, its predecessor, advocated courses on Citizenship for those candidates with English language skills above Entry 3 delivered by bona fide organisations and supported by state funding, there was no expectation that they or the Home Office would formally approve these as neither has the infrastructure to do so nor would they wish to create a whole new bureaucratic layer. ABNI and the Home Office are both concerned about organisations who are exploiting prospective applicants and propogating misleading information. ABNI will continue to raise these issues with officials/MPs and we shall get back to you with the outcomes of our discussions. Please keep us informed. All the best Celine This e-mail (and any attachment) is confidential. If you received this message in error, please delete it, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:37:20 +0000 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Earned citizenship: another brick in the wall of fortress Europe > To: [log in to unmask] > > Yes this is a good question. I am not aware of any qualification being > recognized by the Home Office outside the ones agreed by QCA. If there > are internal courses on Citizenship accepted by the H.O then we can all > apply for the recognition of our own, that of course will save time for > our learners. > > >>> Cathy Burns <[log in to unmask]> 25/02/2008 14:54 >>> > > Does this info need to go to ABNI? Are these short courses definitely > Home > Office approved? > > > Cathy > NATECLA National Centre > > In a message dated 25/02/2008 14:09:08 GMT Standard Time, > [log in to unmask] writes: > > Citizenship is a hot topic amongst ESOL learners in my area too. 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