Barabara Arneils book critiquing social capital is interesting on conflict. Her thesis is that lowered reported levels of trust in communities may not always be a bad thing because goups such as women and disabled people have strengthed their social positions/value and these changes are usually associated with increased levels of conflict/struggle. Traditionally powerful groups - eg white able bodied van man? have lost out? To some extent conflict is life. There is in my book healthy and unhealthy conflict but I guess it depends where you are sitting and your values as to how you see/experience this. There is certainly  rubbish conflict and petty point scoring in psychology but I guess this isnt a respectful place to start from.!
 
Richard

 
On 2/21/08, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
For interest I have looked back at the message referring to predatory / conflictual behaviour and community psychology and have summarised below. Some comments are ambiguous on the point. Some people changed their mind so feature in both sections. The order is pretty arbitrary. Apologies if I missed anyone's comment out.
 
'Pro conflict'
  • Mark " Is predatory behaviour OK after all as long as we are the predator rather than the prey?  Yes - you have to take back power."
  • Paul "Q Is predatory behaviour OK after all as long as we are the predator rather than the prey? A Yes, if we go after greedy, socially irresponsible corporations."
  • Richard: "the logo/image is good - its strong, gets conflict on the table"
  • John McG "Nothing wrong with combative at all"
  • John Cromby: "Whatever is wrong with combative? Do we imagine that those in power will simply hand it over, if we only ask nicely enough?!"

 

'Anti-conflict'

  • David F "Is predatory behaviour OK after all as long as we are the predator rather than the prey?"
  • John McG "I also think David is right. It is quite predatory and combative. Is that a good stance? It might be quite a seductive one but I'm not so sure how useful it is."
  • Richard "Why would this predatory, animal, presumably under water, image be symbolic of uk community psychology?"
  • Alison: "I'm still unsure how much conflict we are trying to get on the table. Processes are often as important if not more important than the end result; would it be trite to suggest that we think more in terms of passionate refutation?(!) I'm just conscious that what (i think) we are trying to achieve is cohesion and the fair distribution of power. Do conflict and combat pave the way for this?"
  • Alison "there is something problematic in taking a predatory stance regardless of whether you are a big or little fish"
  • Alison "Who is it that is taking back the power, isn't it more about dispersing it?"

David

 

From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of alison smith
Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 09:29
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Subject: Re: Lisbon and CPUK Logo

I'm still unsure how much conflict we are trying to get on the table. Processes are often as important if not more important than the end result; would it be trite to suggest that we think more in terms of passionate refutation?(!) I'm just conscious that what (i think) we are trying to achieve is cohesion and the fair distribution of power. Do conflict and combat pave the way for this?
I realise it would be breaking the image somewhat but should the big fish be a fish when what it stands for is systems?
 
ps cheers John


Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:15:17 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Lisbon and CPUK Logo
To: [log in to unmask]

I have changed my mind - I think the logo/image is good - its strong, gets conflict on the table and certainly attracts attention.
 
Richard

 
On 2/20/08, Fash D <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
With all due respect and following this discussion, which seems to have elicited much comment, I think a more appropriate logo would consist of many small fish swimming in different directions, creating an unrecognisable shape: therefore better representing community psychology in the UK.

Fash D Jackson



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Sent: Wednesday, 20 February, 2008 3:14:28 PM
Subject: Re: Lisbon and CPUK Logo
Ken Sprague was Marcia Karp's partner. Some of you may, like me, have been down to their place for psychodrama and great food/walks near Barnstaple. I have a couple of Ken's original make-ups for Daily Mirror cartoons he did way back. I'm sure the psychodramatic weekends made people more inclined to buy his art, if only as a keepsake. He is, indeed, sadly missed but lives on through his work.
As for logos - the best thing to do is carry on arguing. Perhaps, as the symbolism is - as always - interpretable in numerous ways, we should add a few pages of text explaining what each element stands for....
Craig
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this logo was designed by Ken Sprague, community artist, who sadly died 2004. He contributed the logo  for the UK community psych conference that year ( I had presumed that he designed it specially for us; you may remember we had T shirts using it) , and I am crossing my fingers that there is no copyright.  Knowing his politics my guess is that he would be pleased at the use to which we are putting his design.
 
See obituary from the Guardian on http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2004/aug/06/guardianobituaries.artsobituaries1
 
Also there is a book about his work: see http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/sprague/book.htm
 
Also an article, which also features this design – which makes me wonder if it's been used elsewhere, on http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/nerve8/ken_sprague.htm
 
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Annie
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Lisbon and CPUK Logo
 
 
Dear all,
 

 
A while ago there was the suggestion that the 'swimming with the fishes' logo be adopted for CPUK (logo attached).. I have fiddled with it a little - added our name as a strap line and placed it on a button so it can be placed on non-white websites. Unless enough people object by the end of this week, I will send this to the organisers of the 2008 International Conference on Community Psychology in Lisbon. The organisers would include our logo on their website and CPUK will be cited as a co-sponsor of the event (don't worry, it is intellectual rather than financial sponsorship).
 

 
p
 
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