If you are a public authority, as appears from your e-mail address, the distinction between a relevant filing system and unstructured records disappears. The Freedom of Information Act added category (e) - unstructured information - to the definition of personal data for the purposes of access. Therefore, if it mentions the individual, you have to provide access. So it would be better to store it in an accessible way or HR could be storing up a lot of work for themselves in future. If you are not subject to FoIA, then I would agree with your HR department, though would argue that it is bad practice to try to wriggle out of providing access in that way. Paul Ticher 0116 273 8191 22 Stoughton Drive North, Leicester LE5 5UB I hereby require any recipient of this message not to use my personal data for direct marketing purposes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henley, Lee" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: relevant filing system Advice please Our HR Dept are stating that spent disciplinary information that is removed from personal files and kept in a separate secure location with other spent disciplinary paperwork, would not be classified as a relevant filing system (as it is not kept in alphabetical or in a particular order). As a result our HR Dept are stating they believe that they would not need disclose anything within that filing system if a subject access request was received. Is this correct? Lee Henley Information Manager Telephone: (01375) 652500 Mobile - 07780 730944 [log in to unmask] The information in this e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended to be confidential and may be legally privileged. Access to and use of its content by anyone else other than the addressee(s) may be unlawful and will not be recognised by Thurrock Council for business purposes. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately, delete it and do not copy it to anyone else. Thurrock Council cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of this message as it has been transmitted over a public network. Any opinions expressed in this document are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Thurrock Council. Any attachment(s) to this message has been checked for viruses, but please rely on your own virus checker and procedures. Senders and recipients of e-mail should be aware that under the UK Data Protection and Freedom of Information legislation these contents may have to be disclosed in response to a request. All e-mail sent to or from this address will be processed by Thurrock Council's corporate e-mail system and may be subject to scrutiny by someone other than the addressee. ____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving messages please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] Full help Desk - please email [log in to unmask] describing your needs To receive these emails in HTML format send the command: SET data-protection HTML to [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^