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Had Mike's remarks come from anyone who had no previous record of contributing to wider professional life, it would be tempting to dismiss them as belonging to the "What have the Romans ever done for us" category. However, those with memories will know that Mike actually was one of those HLG activists who put in far more than they took out, particularly around promotions and campaigning. If we recall where this thread started, I think that in reimbursement of professional membership fees we have a defined, focused campaign objective of a type which has in the past brought together and galvanized the energies of the likes of Mike Roddham. Colin Engel, Deputy Library Manager Clinical Library Service, 1st Floor C Block Russells Hall Hospital Dudley DY1 2HQ Tel. 01384 321084 (Internal:ext.1084) We provide the following services: Document delivery, journal and book collections in electronic and hard copy. Training courses in knowledge retrieval, literature search services, enquiry service. National Library for Health: <http://www.library.nhs.uk/> http://www.library.nhs.uk Library catalogue available on Trust Intranet.: <http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb> http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb _____ From: Alan Fricker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 14 December 2007 09:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Reimbursement of professional membership fees[Scanned] Hi Mike, Your comment about being able to resume chartered status without providing further evidence could just as easily apply to someone who had maintained CILIP membership throughout their career. One thing that did change during the five years that you were away was the introduction of revalidation. At present this is not mandatory but it does provide a means for people to prove the ongoing updating of their chartered status. It is also a route to Fellowship if that sort of thing floats your boat. http://www.cilip.org.uk/qualificationschartership/FrameworkofQualifications/ revalidation/ <http://www.cilip.org.uk/qualificationschartership/FrameworkofQualifications /revalidation/> There was a view that revalidation should be mandatory but this was not accepted by the majority of members. I am sorry to hear about your experience around potential redundancy. Speaking with my HLG hat on we are not always entirely happy with the service received from the Membership Support Unit at CILIP. I raised it at Council on Wednesday and as a committee we have been in regular communication with them over a range of issues. HLG representatives are pressing for CILIP to include sectors beyond Public Libraries in the deprofessionalisation work but it would be untrue to say that they are not the focus at present. It bears saying as usual that CILIP is not a trade union. It is a shame you feel that money spent on CILIP membership is wasted. I know I get a lot out of my membership and participation in CILIP and HLG CILIP activities (oh and UKEIG who I have as a second group) (oh and London Branch who organise an interesting range of evening meetings with sausage and chips thrown in). Cheers Alan Alan Fricker Knowledge & Library Service Manager Newham University Hospital NHS Trust <http://www.newlib.demon.co.uk/> www.newlib.demon.co.uk Tel: 020 7363 8016 The library comes to you - <blocked::http://newhamcat/> http://newhamcat - Search - Renew - Reserve - all from your desktop Read all about it - <blocked::http://newhamknowledge.blogspot.com/> http://newhamknowledge.blogspot.com _____ From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roddham Mike Sent: 14 December 2007 08:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Reimbursement of professional membership fees[Scanned] I dropped out of CILIP for 5+ years and haven't noticed at all. I rejoined last year (membership was a requirement for a job I applied for) and consider it a waste of money. My trust tried to make me redundant last year and hand the work to the medical education manager. Despite their protestations about fighting de-professionalisation, the only help CILIP offered was a couple of leaflets. I was able to regain chartered status after a 5 year gap just by paying them the membership fee. No checks, no portfolio. I'm also in UKCHIP, which at least checks that I've done some professional development over the last year. Mike Roddham [Roddham Mike] inal Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Woodley Zena (RQ8) Mid Essex Hospital Sent: 13 December 2007 12:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Reimbursement of professional membership fees[Scanned] Alas, it is not necessary to be a member of Cilip in order to do one's job. I 'missed' membership for an entire year: it didn't affect my functioning as a manager, nor did anyone notice. Or care! I rejoined only from a sense that I ought to.... cheers - Zena Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP Library Resources Manager The Warner Library Broomfield Hospital Chelmsford CM1 7ET T: 01245-514310 e : [log in to unmask] Ask an Information Expert - it's what we do. All day. Every day. -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Engel, Colin Sent: 13 December 2007 12:28 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LIS-MEDICAL] Reimbursement of professional membership fees Response from the list: I have had a definitive response from Catherine Richmond (and no doubt others to follow) who has helpfully cited Pay Circular (AforC) 4/2007 which states: Support for clinical staff requiring professional registration 4 It has been agreed that an allowance of £38 will be made to support the payment of clinical registration fees for those clinical staff in England where registration with one of the regulatory bodies is mandatory in order to practice. Payment will be made to appropriate staff in bands 5-8(A) inclusive. Payment will be made from 1 November 2007 and each year until November 2010 by when it will have been reviewed. 5 This allowance will cover relevant staff in band 5 - 8A requiring registration by the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC), Health Professions Council (HPC), General Dental Council (GDC), Royal Pharmaceutical Society (RPS) and the General Social Care Council (GSCC) or other body designated by the NHS Staff Council. So, action point for UNISON for the next round: get this provision widened both by discipline and geography. Colin Engel, Deputy Library Manager Clinical Library Service, 1st Floor C Block Russells Hall Hospital Dudley DY1 2HQ Tel. 01384 321084 (Internal:ext.1084) We provide the following services: Document delivery, journal and book collections in electronic and hard copy. Training courses in knowledge retrieval, literature search services, enquiry service. National Library for Health: <http://www.library.nhs.uk/> http://www.library.nhs.uk Library catalogue available on Trust Intranet.: <http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb> http://libcat.dudley.nhs.uk/amlibweb _____ From: Engel, Colin Sent: 13 December 2007 10:26 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Reimbursement of professional membership fees Colleagues I understood from the bullet point headlines of the last annual NHS staff salary settlement that full reimbursement of professional association membership fees was included as part of the package. It was not clear to me whether this headline was an abbreviation in which the word "clinical" got dropped from the original, or whether the intention and letter was that this applied to all groups of staff, not just clinicians. Has anyone examples positive or negative of how this is being interpreted and applied on the ground with respect to CILIP membership? 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