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Shhh, Jim, you mentioned the "Voldemort" that is the .museum TLD... Be gone, and speak no more of this thing... :-) ________________________________ Mike Ellis Solutions Architect Eduserv [log in to unmask] tel: 01225 474300 fax: 01225 474301 www.eduserv.org.uk >>> -----Original Message----- From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hunterian Museum Sent: 27 November 2007 19:41 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: In my 'umble view, web-names ARE all-important .... Align all brand-names. RE: The use of .com domain for UK museums Hi Matthew, Hope you are well. Slightly left of field in this discussion, but I wondered if the BM had ever actually used (or still uses) your .museum domain? Best wishes, Jim. Jim Devine Head of Multimedia Hunterian Museum and Art Gallery University of Glasgow [log in to unmask] Tel: 0141 330 3691 Fax: 0141 330 3617 On 27/11/07 18:40, "Matthew Cock" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > We are in the process of trying to acquire .com, but it is not proving simple. > - can't go into details on list, as it involves lawyers... > > We recently changed from .ac.uk to .org, and got rid of a redundant 'the'. > We're recovering from the google dip, and that only occurred because our new > domain name had been used by a previous owner as a spam site. > > Best. > Matthew > > Head of Web | Department of Learning and Audiences | The British Museum | > britishmuseum.org > sent from blackberry: 07971 433841 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Museums Computer Group <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Tue Nov 27 16:28:48 2007 > Subject: Re: In my 'umble view, web-names ARE all-important .... Align all > brand-names. RE: The use of .com domain for UK museums > > Hi folks > > We did the "multibuy" of .com .co.uk .org.uk under our old domain and as > far as I know this *is* continuing with the new one. > > I've seen multiple domains being used to catch people who are then > redirected to an actual web site. > > Interestingly, I found that even though britishmuseum.org and > britishmuseum.co.uk are registered by the British Museum, > britishmuseum.com isn't! > > > Michael > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > >> Behalf Of Mike Ellis >> Sent: 27 November 2007 15:53 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: In my 'umble view, web-names ARE all-important > >> .... Align all brand-names. RE: The use of .com domain for UK museums >> > >> I couldn't agree more about buying all possible permutations > >> of your domain name, but it's vital to only use one - > >> consistently - in any of your marketing. > >> > >> Keeping domain names short and memorable is also a good > >> thing, and helps reinforce brand identity, but I'd argue that > >> Google findability is way more crucial and will ultimately > >> get your site more traffic... >> > >> Cheers >> > >> Mike >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> Mike Ellis >> Solutions Architect >> > >> Eduserv >> [log in to unmask] >> tel: 01225 474300 >> fax: 01225 474301 >> www.eduserv.org.uk >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >> John Bibby >> Sent: 27 November 2007 15:45 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: In my 'umble view, web-names ARE all-important .... Align all >> brand-names. RE: The use of .com domain for UK museums >> > >> My 'umble view is that web-names are all-important. >> > >> It is important to align your web-name with your brand name. > >> e.g. if you >> are >> Xtown museums then stick to this - or if you use something more snazzy >> e.g. >> Xmus.com, then make sure you also register the other names that people >> might >> use. >> > >> The costs of registering domain names is very small - about > >> 5p per day. >> So I >> would keep all possible aliases (including earlier URLs) and provide >> automatic links to the correct URL (giving automatic reminders asking >> users >> to update). >> > >> Should you book .com ? >> I would say definitely YES - even if it is not your main site. >> If you do not, somebody else (one of your competitors?) might use it. >> > >> What would you give for M&S.com ? My kids Matthew and Shirley hope to >> get >> there before you! :) >> > >> JOHN BIBBY >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of >> Michael Comiskey >> Sent: 27 November 2007 14:40 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: The use of .com domain for UK museums >> > >> Hi Mike >> > >> I don't have anything to do with this. >> > >> I was informed of the decision today by our ICT Manager who > >> presented it >> as something he had been told to implement. >> > >> I'm not sure it is a good idea myself, but it is out of my hands. >> > >> Michael >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Ellis >>> Sent: 27 Novembr 2007 14:25 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: The use of .com domain for UK museums >>> >>> Hi Michael >>> >>> I don't think there's any difference at all between .com and >>> .org.uk, and certainly not in wider public perception (which >>> is the important thing...). You'll probably hear some noise >>> around the fact that .com is considered US or commerce based, >>> but I think that's legacy noise rather than anything with any >>> real bearing to where we are today. The "uk" bit of your >>> domain may still be considered important, though, but again >>> that's really personal preference rather than anything else. >>> As someone who does this stuff all day I do have a tendency >>> to look at a domain and say "ooh, a UK based company" but to >>> be honest 1) having that domain doesn't mean it's true and 2) >>> Most people won't even look at the address bar - they'll just >>> go for the first result in Google... >>> >>> At the end of the day, the SEO and findability of your site >>> is way, way more important than the domain name, and that's >>> where your question raises some danger flags. Moving a domain >>> name is a dangerous business if you've already established a >>> good page rank and SEO. At the end of the day if the only >>> thing you're changing is the TLD (the .com / .org.uk bit of >>> your domain) then the question really is - if it ain't broke, >>> why fix it? >>> >>> If instead the change is universal - as your email suggests - >>> and you're actually renaming the whole brand, then my vote is >>> that it doesn't make any difference at all - go with >>> something short and memorable before the TLD and whichever >>> your preference after it. Make sure you have a sensible >>> procedure for managing the change, though - redirects, >>> communicating the change, only marketing one url, etc etc... >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Ps. It'll cost you a little more each year for .com. May or >>> may not be a consideration :-) >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Mike Ellis >>> Solutions Architect >>> >>> Eduserv >>> [log in to unmask] >>> tel: 01225 474300 >>> fax: 01225 474301 >>> www.eduserv.org.uk >>> > >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > >> Behalf Of >>> Michael Comiskey >>> Sent: 27 November 2007 14:15 >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: The use of .com domain for UK museums >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I have an enquiry about how .com addresses are regarded by museum >>> professionals and the general public. >>> >>> I have heard that my organisation is moving to the use of a >>> .com suffix >>> (away from org.uk)as part of an overall name change. >>> >>> Are there any UK museums using .com as part of their main >>> organisational >>> web address or for email addresses (as opposed to trading > >> companies or >>> shops)? >>> >>> If so, why was a .com chosen? >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> ************************************************************** >>> ********** >>> >>> >>> National Museums Northern Ireland comprises the Ulster > >> Museum, Ulster >>> Folk and Transport Museum, Ulster American Folk Park, Armagh County >>> Museum and W5. >>> >>> The Ulster Museum is currently closed for major >>> redevelopment. 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