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Hi Ian,

thanks for the POLARRFN pointer - I've read this before, but I didn't find it complete enough ...
Shouldn't the c*-axis have Phi=90, since it is c*=axb? I don't see a peak at 180-Phi, but I thought that there might be other symmetry-equivalent peaks that have some rule for Phi, Psi, Kappa that includes a "Phi-180" term ... but this is why I'm looking for a good reference ...

Best regards,

Dirk.

Am 22.11.2007 um 15:10 schrieb Ian Tickle:

Hi Dirk

There's a useable (though slightly incomplete) description of the
symmetry of SRF's in the POLARRFN doc, though this only talks about the
symmetry of the stereographic projection itself and then only about the
effect of crystallographic dyads.  Higher order rotations about z will
obviously produce the same symmetry in the SRF.  However higher order
rotations about other axes (e.g. 3-folds in cubic) will not generate
symmetry in the SRF, the peaks will be there of course but in general
positions in spherical polar co-ords.

In the case you describe, if there were the symmetry phi'=180-phi
wouldn't you expect to see both peaks?
The only crystallographic symmetry in monoclinic with z||b is
phi'=180+phi, so in your case it would appear that your 7-fold NCS axis
is parallel to c* not c.

-- Ian 

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Sent: 22 November 2007 13:41
To: CCP4BB
Subject: Symmetry of crystallographic stereographic projections?

Dear CCP4ers,

does any of you have a good reference describing the symmetry 
of crystallographic stereographic projections? There is a lot 
of literature describing rotational symmetry in Eulerian 
angular space, but I'm not aware of any for polar angles. In 
particular, I've calculated a self-rotation function for a 
crystal in space group C2 with a monoclinic beta-angle of 97 
degrees in a convention where Phi is the angle from the 
x-axis (=a-axis) and Psi is the angle from the monoclinic 
b-axis. I get a beautiful peak for a seven-fold rotation axis 
at Phi=83 degrees and Psi=90 degrees. I think that the 
seven-fold NCS-axis should point along the crystallographic 
c-axis, but then I would expect Phi=97 and Psi=90. 
Presumably, there must be a symmetry with the term Phi' = 
180-Phi, but I would like to _know_ it. I would be grateful 
for any pointer to a good reference describing symmetry in 
crystallographic stereographic projections, also for future cases.

Best regards,

Dirk.


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