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No – but you can maybe send your manscript directly to Felix Bittmann! Stefanie Jacomet Prof. Dr. Stefanie Jacomet IPNA / IPAS Institute of Prehistory and Archaeological Science Dept. of Environmental Sciences Basel University Spalenring 145 CH-4055 Basel http://pages.unibas.ch/arch/ [log in to unmask] +41 61 201 02 11 private: Dorfstrasse 50 CH-4452 Itingen Switzerland mobile +41 79 322 39 17 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: The archaeobotany mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Aylen Capparelli Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. November 2007 13:14 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Aldona Bieniek email Dear list members, I am trying to send Aldona the MS for the 14th IWGP Proceedings but I failed all the times. All the emails are coming back to me. Have you got any of you the same problem? I don't know how to communicate with her. Thank you for your answer Aylen Capparelli ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefanie Jacomet <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: AW: cess pit mineralised material Hallo to all, there is plenty of literature about such mineralised stuff from latrines from central Europe, although a lot in german (or French), but there is also stuff in English. Wendy Carruthers did a lot, the first in the 70ies was F. Green (a Naomi already told you). We find such layers e.g. on the bottom of pits in Roman legionary camps (or other Roman settlements) as well as in the middle ages (many of them in towns). I attach here some citations, I tried to be es anglish as possible. Concerning animal remains (small animals) see Hüster-Plogamann et al. 2006. In Jacomet 2003 (unfortunately in German) I tried to compile the current literature. Hope this helps! Stefanie Bakels, C. C. und Dijkman, W. (2000) Maastricht in the first millenium AD. The archaeobotanical evidence. Archaeologia Mosana 2, 78. Carruthers, W. (1986) The Late Bronze Age Midden at Potterne. Circea 4/1, 16-17. Carruthers, W. (1991) Mineralised Plant Remains: Some Examples from Sites in Southern England. In: Palaeoethnobotany and Archaeology. International Work-Group for Palaeoethnobotany 8th Symposium Nitra-Nové Vozokany 1989. In: Hajnalova, E. (Hrsg.) Palaeoethnobotany and Archaeology. International Work-Group for Palaeoethnobotany 8th Symposium Nitra-Nové Vozokany 1989. ACTA 7. Nitra, 75-80. Carruthers, W. (2000) Mineralised plant remains. In: Lawson, A. J. (Hrsg.) Potterne 1982-5: Animal husbandry in later prehistoric Wiltshire. Wessey Archaeology Report 17, 72-84. Ciaraldi, M. (2000) Drug preparation in evidence? An unusual plant and bone assemblage from the Pompeian countryside, Italy. Vegetation History and Archaeobotany 9/2, 91-98. Dickson, C. (1989) Human coprolites. In: Bell, B. und Dickson, C. (Hrsg.) Excavations at Warebeth (Stromness Cemetery) Broch, Orkney. Proc Soc Antiq Scot 119, 115-131. Green, F. J. (1979a) Botanical Remains. In: J.S.F. Walker (ed.), Excavations in Medieval Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in Southampton. In: Walker, J. S. F. (Hrsg.) Excavations in Medieval Tenements on the Quilter's Valut Site in Southampton. Proc. Hants. Field Club Archaeol. Soc. 35, 183. Green, F. J. (1979b) Collection and Interpretation of Botanical Information from medieval Urban Excavations in Southern England. In: Körber-Grohne, U. (Hrsg.) Festschrift Maria Hopf zum 65. Geburtstag am 14. September 1979. Archaeo-Physika 8. Köln, 39-55. Green, F. J. (1979c) Phosphatic mineralization of seeds from archaeological sites. Journal of Archaeological Science 6, 279-284. Hellwig, M. (1997) Plant remains from two cesspits (15th and 16th century) and a pond (13th century) from Göttingen, southern Lower Saxony, Germany. Vegetation History and Archaeoabotany 6/2, 105-116. Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S. und Hagendorn, A. (2006) Unspecified early Roman pits: an Interdisciplinary Excursion to Identify the Use of Pits in Vindonissa (Windisch), Switzerland. In: Maltby, M. (Hrsg.) Integrating Zooarchaeology. Proceedings ot the 9th Conferece of the International Council of Archaeozoology, Durham, August 2002 Oxford, 92-97. Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Klee, M., Müller, U. und Vogel Müller, V. (2003) Ein stilles Örtchen. Zur Latrinengrube in Feld 6, Grabung TOP-Haus AG, Kaiseraugst (2001.01). Jahresberichte aus Augst und Kaiseraugst 24, 159-191. Jacomet, S. (2003) Und zum Dessert Granatapfel - Ergebnisse der archäobotanischen Untersuchungen. In: Hagendorn, A., Doppler, H. W., Huber, A., Hüster-Plogmann, H., Jacomet, S., Meyer-Freuler, C., Pfäffli, B. und Schibler, J. (Hrsg.) Zur Frühzeit von Vindonissa. Auswertung der Holzbauten der Grabung Windisch-Breite 1996-1998. Veröffentlichungen der Gesellschaft Pro Vindonissa 18. Brugg, 48-79; 173-229; 482-492. Kenward, H. und Hall, A. (2000) Decay of delicate organic remains in shallow urban deposits: are we at a watershed? Antquity 74, 519-525. Stika, H.-P. (1997) Pflanzenreste aus dem archaischen Milet. Vorbericht zur Kampagne 1992. Archäologischer Anzeiger 2, 157-163. Prof. Dr. Stefanie Jacomet IPNA / IPAS Institute of Prehistory and Archaeological Science Dept. of Environmental Sciences Basel University Spalenring 145 CH-4055 Basel http://pages.unibas.ch/arch/ [log in to unmask] +41 61 201 02 11 private: Dorfstrasse 50 CH-4452 Itingen Switzerland mobile +41 79 322 39 17 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: The archaeobotany mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Sarpaki Anaya Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 19:48 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: cess pit mineralised material Naomi hello and anyone out there, Yes, there is a possibility that this material could be from incompletely digested food....although I do not know how one could define this!! I have no idea of anyone having done experiments such as archaeozoologists have done!! Yet, what makes me think it is partly digested is the shape of legumes..some of which seem to have been "bitten"....also seeds which seem like fig seeds have concretions around looking like mineralised flesh (?).... Regarding the rodents..yes, I seem to have a few bones...maybe some individuals...I wonder whether "methane" which would exist in these sewares would get the rodents "high" to a point to loose consciousness!!...and drown... Thank you for Green's ref. I also traced another ref. Pelling, R.2000a The charred and mineralised plant remains.In B.M.Charles, et al., A bronze Age ditch and Iron Age Settlement at Elms Farm, Humberstore, Licester. Trasactions of Leicestershire Arch.Hist. Society 74: 207-213. I cannot trace it here in Crete so if the author or anyone else who has access to a full pdf. has it I would be very grateful. It is fun....from burnt dung to human dung.....!! Thank you for the response, Anaya ----- Original Message ----- From: Naomi Miller <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: The <mailto:[log in to unmask]> archaeobotany mailing list ; Sarpaki Anaya <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: cess pit mineralised material Hello, Anaya and everyone else, Is there any possiblity that the material is from incompletely digested food? Basis for this suggestion: My favorite deposit ever had lots of mineralized seeds from a straight-sided pit that had a diameter of about 1 meter, was several meters deep (like a well), the soil had a greenish hue. There were hundreds of mineralized grape seeds, many identifiable wheat and barley bits (also mineralized, looking partly 'digested'), perfectly preserved rodent bones representing entire skeletons (including delicate skulls floating to the top of the flot. tank), and a high concentration of smooth pebbles that easily fit in a hand. The explanation was latrine (form; chemistry [see Green 1979]; grape seeds–in one end out the other; wheat and barley–perhaps eaten as groats; drowned rodents (like the LaBrea tarpit–once they fell in, no other animal was able to fish them out). As for the stones, though he refused to be credited for the idea, my diss. advisor suggested use as ancient 'toilet paper'. ref.: Economy and Environment at Malyan, a Third Millennium B.C. Urban Center in Southern Iran (1982). Ph.D. diss., U of Michigan, Ann Arbor, pp. 363-364 and data tables. I alluded to this deposit in Bulletin on Sumerian Agriculture 1:45-47 (1984), "The Interpretation of Some Carbonized Cereal Remains as Remnants of Dung Cake Fuel." It was interesting that the proportion of wheat to barley in the latrine deposit was exactly opposite of the charred remains (reasonable interpretation: remains of human food vs. burned dung) See also: Green, Francis 1979 Phosphatic Mineralization of Seeds from Archaeological Sites. Journal of Archaeological Science 6:279-284. toodle-oo. Naomi On Oct 26, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Sarpaki Anaya wrote: I am looking at few samples from a Minoan sewage at the site of Malia in Crete and I am quite baffled by what I see......what seems to me to be mineralised seeds, such as grape etc. However, legume seeds seem to also have been mineralised and also fragments of "pods". As my experience is with charred material I find quite difficult to "decipher" these forms. I would therefore appreciate to have any references which might help me with these. If anybody is working on cess pits/sewage mineralised material or has published on these, I would very much appreciate to have their contact address and/or references. Thank you for all the help, Anaya _____________ Dr Anaya.Sarpaki Independent scholar 137 Tsikalaria, 73200 Souda - Chania, Crete. Tel: +30 28210 81641 Fax: +30 28210 28452 <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] ------------------------------------- Naomi F. 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