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Joe, y're a thinking man. I particulalry liked this: 'Poetry is whatever manages to get said in spite of all the various systems and ideologies that exist to prevent that saying. If many, or this group or that group, want to impose a system that insists that poetry avoid the sentimental, than this is just what exists to be overcome, ignored, disregarded.' ... and the poor adjunct teaching in North Dakota ... ha ha ... I'm taking a workshop this afternoon, a walking workshop (influenced by Stephen Vincent's works and interviews) and I always tell 'em, Break a few rules (a la Pete Townshend) ... and Take Risks! (John Marsden, Aussie YAL writer) ... I'll quote them this as well, Joe. Andrew http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/