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because the possibility of an arbitrary device exists, and I'd rather not believe or trust a presumed effect whose effectiveness I can't see for myself or have explained to me. a lot of people who know nothing about, say, metaphor would probably get more out of poetry than they would without being aware of what metaphor entails. I'm not going to just 'believe' that something is intended to be important. just as well I could say that my use of commas in my poetry, while it may seem normal, is actually extremely central to understanding the poetry at all. I mean, I wouldn't tell anyone unless they asked me. KS On 15/10/2007, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > And why not? I ask you. > > Hal > > "I would horsewhip you if I had a horse." > --Groucho Marx > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > [log in to unmask] > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:05 AM, kasper salonen wrote: > > > believe you? just like that? > > > > KS > > > > On 15/10/2007, Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Believe me when I say I take that sonnet tradition > >> into account. > >> > >> Hal > >> > >> "Disorder is merely the order you > >> are not looking for." > >> --Henri Bergson > >> > >> Halvard Johnson > >> ================ > >> [log in to unmask] > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > >> http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > >> http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > >> http://www.hamiltonstone.org > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > >> > >> > >> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Joanna Boulter wrote: > >> > >>> Given that we write either into or against a tradition, I don't see > >>> how we can avoid taking it into account. > >>> > >>> joanna > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Blinkin Sonnets! > >>> > >>> > >>>> Don't you think about the tradition you want to write into? I > >>>> certainly do, if I want to do such a thing. Maybe you consider such > >>>> thinking frivolous. > >>>> > >>>> Roger > >>>> > >>>> On 10/14/07, Jon Corelis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>>>> In one hundred years we've gone from a poetic puritanism which > >>>>> condemned anything not traditional as frivolous to a poetic > >>>>> puritanism > >>>>> which condemns anything traditional as frivolous. Like some > >>>>> French > >>>>> guy once said, the more different something gets, the more it's > >>>>> the > >>>>> same damn thing. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> =================================== > >>>>> > >>>>> Jon Corelis www.geocities.com/joncpoetics/ > >>>>> > >>>>> =================================== > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > >>>> "In peace, sons bury their fathers. In war, fathers bury their > >>>> sons." > >>>> Roman Proverb > >> >