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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I'm sorry. Still a bit bleary from a historical debate last night: I wrote: Before 1307, to the orders' contemporaries, the visible difference in clothing and the heraldry on all the orders' property was clear enough to see the difference, Scrap the last difference. as it should be for modern people who are interested in this. By whom I of course mean students of history, one can't expect the layman to see the difference between those exotic bands of monkish knights and their non fighting brohers. After 1312 it did not matter anymore because the property of the Templars was in the hands of the Hospitallers or in those of the new Iberian orders who are nothing but the Templars in a thin disguise. So no more Templars visible on the streets, the red cross repainted white on all property and more knights of St John around. It does not bode well vide trustworthyness Should be trustworthiness for a website on De Molay when they portray him dressed in a mantle and surcote with the cross of the Teutonic order. Mind you: all websites on medieval matters which are exclusively illustrated with 19th c engravings or other neo-gothic art are suspect in my book. Behind which I still stand.;-) Henk _____ Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter 1342 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl> vandaag nog! ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html