Hi, This is an interesting debate and I am so sorry if my question seems terribly naïve, but how would accessing facebook and other similar sites compromise security more than say, surfing the internet for holidays and registering with such sites? Thanks Angela Nicholls Audience Research Executive Teachers TV Direct Line: +44 (0)20 7182 7446 Fax: +44 (0)20 7580 3656 Email: [log in to unmask] 16-18 Berners Street London W1T 3LN www.teachers.tv -----Original Message----- From: UKEIG: the UK eInformation Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wendy Warr Sent: 01 October 2007 12:41 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: To Every Technology There Is A Season ...[!] [?] Phil, Bandwidth and security are two of the "obvious reasons" that closed organizations such as pharmaceutical companies tend to use for avoiding various Web 2.0 technologies. Wendy Dr. Wendy A. Warr Wendy Warr & Associates 6 Berwick Court, Holmes Chapel Cheshire, CW4 7HZ, England Tel./fax +44 (0)1477 533837 [log in to unmask] http://www.warr.com -----Original Message----- From: UKEIG: the UK eInformation Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Bradley Sent: 01 October 2007 12:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: To Every Technology There Is A Season ...[!] [?] I'm not really sure what the 'obvious reasons' are, you know. I've just spent a few minutes looking through Facebook groups for this subject area, and found some interesting stuff. Firstly there IS a Facebook group for English Heritage members of staff, which currently only has 14 people in it, but that's a start I suppose. So clearly there's some interest that staff have in being able to talk to each other outside the confines of the EH intranet (presuming you have one). Perhaps one of the 'obvious reasons' is that the EH doesn't want this to happen? Anyway, let's continue... there are groups that cover English history, and there are also local/regional groups. Presumably EH doesn't want staff getting involved in discussions on subjects like this? Presumably they feel that it's better that their staff expertise isn't shared in a way that's helpful to people? Perhaps they want to try and control the conversations? How about the National Trust - not exactly the same type of organization I'll agree, but a close enough match. There's the group "I'm a proud member of the National Trust and I don't yet draw a pension" which currently has over 200 members, 161 photographs, discussions and 50+ wall postings. Seems to be quite lively, and a really good way to share information back and forth. Wouldn't it be nice if there was such a group for English Heritage, where staff could get involved, show their interest, enthusiasm and knowledge for their subject, and help their members? Apparently not. There's a "National Trust working holidays" group with 94 members, photographs and discussions. Not forgetting the "I work for the National Trust" group with 50+ members, with some interesting conversations taking place. There's a small student study group about the NT as well. Then we have the "National Trust staff past and present" group, and the "National Trust Working Holiday - Brecon 2007" group. In fact, I found another 4 groups before I got bored. Clearly there is a real interest - both in the organization itself and its subject coverage, and I can't believe that there isn't for the English Heritage. I'm not convinced the "obvious reasons" actually exist - what I see is that English Heritage isn't interested in having conversations with members outside of their website, that they're not encouraging their staff to get involved with subjects of interest where they could really make a difference. I assume what you might mean by "obvious reasons" are that staff might spend time using Facebook, when they should be doing other things. If that's the case, the obvious way of looking at that is to assume that the organization don't actually trust their staff to use such resources sensibly. Perhaps they ought not allow them access to computers at all in that case? Moreover, surely it's the job of everyone in an organization to get involved, to learn and develop? Apparently not, if you're in English Heritage. Surely as an organization it should want to foster interest in the organisation itself, and for it's subject coverage? But if your organization prevents you doing that, clearly that isn't actually the case. Surely an organization should want to help educate, inform, entertain and involve members of the public? In the case of English Heritage, apparently not. And that's really sad. Because the "obvious reasons" actually aren't obvious reasons at all. What a ban like this is actually saying is that English Heritage doesn't trust its staff, isn't interested in getting involved in conversations with the very people it needs to engage with, and quite simply just doesn't care. Suddenly those "obvious reasons" seem a bit silly to me. Phil. Internet Trainer, Web designer, SEO, Speaker, Author Visit http://www.philb.com for free articles on many aspects of the Internet. My weblogs: http://www.philbradley.typepad.com/ *** How to use Web 2.0 in your library is now available *** -----Original Message----- From: UKEIG: the UK eInformation Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of SIMS, Diana Some employers prevent their staff from accessing Facebook, as ours does and for obvious reasons! Diana Sims Librarian English Heritage National Monuments Record Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ 01793 414632 [log in to unmask] Ever been inspired by a great book? 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