Dear David,
I value this list because it attempts (though not always successfully) to be socially inclusive. This means that some of us, who have one sort of connection to community psychology, will push it one way, others another. I like this, even though it inevitably causes tensions. I agree that we should attempt to keep this in some sort of balance, and to critique the ideas expressed. I have learned a lot, and usually from people whose perspectives are different to mine.
Like you, I want to contribute to community psychological sets of understandings – but given our current consensus (if it is one) that there are many definitions of community psychology, I am puzzled by what you mean here. There seems to be an implication that certain postings will count as community psychology, whereas others won’t. By whose definition would this be, then? Maybe we DO need a single definition that we could check off our contributions against? But if so, let’s reach an agreement on it, rather than it being implicit.
Meantime, I am concerned that some people could be silenced because they are worried that they will be insufficiently attuned to the “correct” line. For example, I notice ( and I I know I;m repeating myself here) that women post less than men here. And I wonder, as well, whether there tends to be a bit of a white western bias too? I’d really value some broader cultural inputs.
Annie
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Sent: 21 October 2007 18:34
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Subject: Re: Mental Health Policy
The various posts perhaps lead us to consider what we want a list like this to be and what we want to be able to do on it and with it. I am a member of the community psychology discussion list because I want to discuss community psychology rather than for example clinical psychology or positive psychology or psychiatry. It is not that I do not think discussion of clinical or positive psychology or psychiatry should not take place or are not worthwhile but there are lots of places to discuss them whereas there are very few places where one can discuss community psychology. I want to see how far we can get using community psychology and how we can develop community psychology to be able to do more less problematically.
David
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Subject: Re: Mental Health Policy
I think this letter is very good. But continuing to plow my 'positive' theme. Just suggesting that takling income inequality is the best primary prevention measure begs all sorts of interesting questions. Its an ecomonic remedy for the human condition? What are we saying are the other effective ways? Layard and Johnson are surely just mirroring all sorts of interesting cultural norms and the sucess of psychology and psychiatry in giving a language and licence for new frameworks for understanding despair madness and fear. Whats obviously missing is the social context for all this. Just to reverse the polarity and say its all social and economic is equally strange and limiting? .
The way I am manging this in my job is to ask what needs to be in place for this Layardism not to bounce? Hence step zero. How do we increase opportunities for solidarity based sense making? How do we set this in a reasoned public health agenda where the levles of 'social recession' in a particular locality are known and well understood. Layard himself really is trying to get into this. If people have been given a meaningful choice, I am pretty relaxed if people want help with their 'bad thinking'. Sometimes I need help with my own. When I was a therapist I surprised by how helpful people found it to learn to stand outside themselves. People who were very low benfited much more than I would have expected from for example keeping a diary. I dont think I was contributing to their oppression. What I think is important is the connectedness between individual and social spaces and experiences good and bad
This involves changing the way we think about them and live within them.
I wonder if people have read the royal college of psychiatry document recovery a common purpose. This invites a complete rethinking of practice and education. Its much more first person than third person and seems to me to be explicitly social model based. One report doesnt represent a summer. Its dead interesting though that something as social as this is coming out of psychiatry.
After I gave my talk on recovery wellbeing and positive psychology last week. I was approached by a member of the audience to say that they were about to set up a local community psychology network! Something definately seems to be in water.
Richard
On 10/21/07, julie bird <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mark (and all)
..... 349 words... cut and paste.. but it might not be the cut and paste job
that you would have done...
(i'm getting caught up in wondering whether how we have signed suggests,
however subtly, that you are either a 'service user'/survivor, OR an
academic etc etc... am i going off on one here, or does anyone else think
this is what could be read?does it matter? would be nice to know what others
think). is it pedantic again? i'm not sure..
Changing politicians'
minds about changing our minds?
We
write in response to the Health Secretary's recent announcement that £170m is
to be made available by 2010 to increase the availability of low intensity,
high volume, psychological interventions. At present Cognitive Behaviour
Therapy (CBT) is the preferred approach. While we welcome the belated
recognition of widespread emotional distress in our community, and applaud the
government's willingness to spend public money on it, we have a number of
serious reservations about the approach adopted.
CBT,
and all like treatments, individualise social problems, draw attention away
from the more important social, economic and material causes of distress and
propose individual cognitive dysfunction as both the cause of people's problems
and as the most appropriate site for intervention. Using a medicalised
metaphor of 'illness' to describe human misery distracts attention away from
the noxious effects on persons of structural poverty, unemployment, job
insecurity, violence, abuse, racism, sexism, inequality and consumerism (among
others) which are the root causes of human distress.
Briefly, the scale of socially caused distress is so vast, and
growing so rapidly, that it is impossible to 'treat it better', let alone
'cure' it, as Mr Johnson and Lord Layard have suggested, by training more
therapists. It is, simply, not feasible to treat all of those in distress, one
at a time, with any therapeutic
technique.
The
approach announced is, we argue, not only conceptually misguided, but also
likely to be socially and economically wasteful of scarce resources. Even
assuming therapeutic success, when 'treated' many or most distressed people
will return to the same psychologically toxic environments that produce
distress and will be subjected to the same causes of distress all over again.
CBT and associated approaches are thus comprehensively problematic. Primary prevention of distress at a society-wide
level - not the 'cure' of individuals - is the only way to substantially reduce
socially, economically and materially caused misery.
Contemporary research shows that reducing income inequality in
our society would be just one of the most effective ways to reduce
psychological distress and physical ill health - not just for the disadvantaged
- but across society in general.
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007
21:23:57 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Fwd: Mental Health Policy
To: [log in to unmask]
All
Looks like I have a busy weekend.......
M
PS My affiliation and grandiose title not self-serving, all the
papers seem to insist on a daytime phone number and address ;)
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 11:42
Subject: Re: Mental Health Policy
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Dear Mark
Thanks. It's an interesting subject, but I'm afraid far
too long at its current length; the letters we publish are a maximum of 350
words. If you would like to cut it and resubmit I'd be happy to look at it
again.
Jane
"Mark Rapley" <[log in to unmask]> 19/10/2007 11:29 |
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Dear Jane
As requested.
Best wishes,
Mark
19th October 2007
Dear Editor,
Changing politicians' minds
about changing our minds?
We write in response to the Health Secretary's recent
announcement that £170m is to be made available by 2010 to increase the
availability of low intensity, high volume, psychological interventions. At
present Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) is the preferred approach, to be
delivered at primary care level to adults of working age, by people who have
some basic training.
While we welcome the belated recognition of widespread
emotional distress in our community, and applaud the government's willingness
to spend public money on it, we have a number of serious reservations about the
approach adopted. Briefly, the scale of socially caused distress is so vast,
and growing so rapidly, that it is impossible to 'treat it better', let alone
'cure' it, as Mr Johnson and Lord Layard have suggested, by training more
therapists. It is, simply, not feasible to treat all of those in distress, one
at a time, with any therapeutic
technique.
Even if we could train enough practitioners, there is good
reason to believe that one-to-one talking treatments administered by
professionals are mostly only marginally effective. While it is certainly the
case that a wealth of evidence exists to suggest that professionally-delivered
therapy, in the hands of some practitioners, for some people, may be of some
benefit, effect sizes tend to be small. However, and the widely cited NICE
Guidelines overlook this, the research base is also clear that not only may lay
people be as effective as professionals in delivering help through talking and
listening, but also that all talking therapies are effectively equivalent, and
equivalently limited, especially for those in the most difficult living
circumstances. This is so even when delivery is organised through the
stepped care model that runs from use of self help guides to full therapeutic
interventions.
That is to say, not only is the effectiveness of CBT and
kindred interventions - in any hands - widely exaggerated, but they are
impossible to apply in many 'real world' situations and with many people.
Indeed the widely reported 'cure' rates in the studies relied on by the
government and its advisers are, actually, quite likely an artefact of the
highly controlled nature of the randomised controlled trials (RCTs) which
purport to demonstrate their effectiveness. As with all such clinical trials,
RCTs by their very design can not, and do not, reflect the 'real world' where
treatment is actually applied. As such, framing policy via reliance on their
artificially-inflated success rates is either scientifically naive or
politically expedient, or both.
Moreover CBT, and all like treatments, individualise
social problems, draw attention away from the more important social, economic
and material causes of distress and propose individual cognitive dysfunction as
both the cause of people's problems and as the most appropriate site for
intervention. We note that a compelling account of the factors which have
produced the present, and remarkably recent, 'epidemic' of individual cognitive
dysfunction seems to be absent from the analyses that government has offered to
date. We also note that the relentless focus on the individual, and their
supposed cognitive deficits, illicitly employs a medicalised metaphor of
'illness' to describe human misery and thus distracts attention away from the
noxious effects on persons of structural poverty, unemployment, job insecurity,
violence, abuse, racism, sexism, inequality and consumerism (among others) which
are the root causes of human distress. It is, surely, bad enough to be
depressed because of difficult living circumstances or to be anxious because
you are subjected to regular domestic violence, without currently popular
theory suggesting your depression or anxiety are caused by your own irrational
thinking. Blaming the victim like this simply proffers therapeutic ritual as a
cure for societal oppression, whilst at the same time placing responsibility
for distress and its' resolution onto the individual.
The approach announced is, we argue, not only conceptually
misguided, but also likely to be socially and economically wasteful of scarce
resources. Even assuming therapeutic success, when 'treated' many or most
distressed people will return to the same psychologically toxic environments
that produce distress and will be subjected to the same causes of distress all
over again. If they do not go back into immediately toxic contexts, there will
still be a flood of newly damaged people as a result of the persistence of the
social causes of distress ignored under present mental health policy settings.
CBT and associated approaches are thus comprehensively problematic. Primary prevention of distress at a society-wide
level - not the 'cure' of individuals - is the only way to substantially reduce
socially, economically and materially caused misery.
To be effective, primary prevention necessitates social not cognitive change. Contemporary research shows that reducing
income inequality in our society would be just one of the most effective ways
to reduce psychological distress and physical ill health - not just for the
disadvantaged - but across society in general.
Signatories
Julia Bird, Jan Bostock, Mark Burton, Julie Chase, Deborah
Chinn, Paul Cotterill, John Cromby, Dawn Darlaston-Jones, Bob Diamond, Paul
Duckett, Suzanne Elliott , Michael Göpfert, Dave Harper, Carl Harris, Carolyn
Kagan, Valeska Matziol, Steve Melluish, Annie Mitchell, Paul Moloney, Moira
O'Connor, Penny Priest, Mark Rapley, David Smail, Janine Soffe-Caswell and Carl
Walker on behalf of the UK Community Psychology Network, a group which includes
academics, campaigners, mental health service users and survivors, health and
social services managers, clinical psychologists, students and volunteer
workers.
Mark Rapley,
PhD,
Professor of Clinical Psychology,
Programme Director - Doctoral Degree in Clinical
Psychology,
School of Psychology,
University of East London,
London, E15 4LZ,
U.K.
Tel: +44 (0)208 223 6392 (Direct)
Tel: +44 (0)208 223 4567 (Messages)
Tel: +44 (0)7951 908409 (Mobile)
On 19/10/2007, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]
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Please could you resend this letter as an email; we are unable to accept
attachments.
Jane Campbell
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Dear Editor,
I attach a letter for publication from the UK Community Psychology Network.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely,
Mark Rapley
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