Anaya, >Bea, thank you for your response and interesting comments! > >No, the seeds I found at Malia (Minoan) are mineralised only so it seems >that they were "fresh" seeds which became mineralised within a certain >environment. Now, together with these seeds I found some charred seeds too >and they seem to have followed another route of deposition...they might have >been charred before getting in the seware, so the seware could have been a >trap of several environments! Faecal remains but also "cleanings"...maybe! > >Regarding your interesting comments, I would like to know where husks are >used to absorb seawater? Any references available and/or which areas are >involved? The saltmaking site is on Bohul Island in the Philippines. >Yes, in Greece/Crete salt making was taking place near the sea up >to quite recently..until it became a State monopoly and it became illegal >for private interprises to "make "it... Historically that's power for the course. Salt was frequently a state monopoly - still is for the most part in Syria today although they did allow some private saltmaking plots in the desert that I know of. However, they are having trouble with bitumin infiltration and have stopped private enterprise. >However, yes salt was found in a Late >Minoan site (Cave site) near Zakros (Ourania to Froudi Cave) (very East of >Crete)(published by K.Kopaka and published in O.J.A.) I have the paper and have been in touch with them. Have been trying to get an analysis of the salt crystals they found, but have never had a response. Have you seen any reports on a lab analysis? >but the process you >describe would have taken place in areas far from the sea where salt would >have been of added value. No, these saltmaking sites are coastal and they saturate the husks with seawater. > Crete, as you know is surrounded by the sea so >although salt would have been of some value in Minoan times depending of >course on a multitude of factors, yet, it would not have been of such a high >value to involve intriate methods of extraction as it happened in lots of >areas of Western Europe (mainly inland areas). Actually you cannot make salt everywhere along the coast because there is lots of seawater available. You need a dry warm climate with southerly winds and land to lay out solar evaporation ponds or sandy beaches to increase the saturation of seawater (96% of water has to be evaporated to recover the 2.9% NaCl salt). Warm dry periods in protected bays are usually the ideal places. But in Crete I understand salt was gathered from rocky sites (small pools which catch seawater which evaporate?). I believe its a very rocky coast? But the climate is good for that. You can't make much salt that way but in prehistoric times that was okay for local use. > >Regarding the porosity of seeds...yes, I suppose charring does make them >more porous -although I would welcome comments on that effect- but there >must have been other factors at play....ammonia to start with....and other >minerals which I do not know and which I would like to go into. This is the >reason I need some bibliographic leads or personal experience of colleague >so that I could move forward....The other problem of course is deciphering >forms of mineralised seeds...Sometimes it is quite easy but other times they >have concretions which are difficult to identify... > >Thank you though for your somments and all comments are very welcome.... My pleasure, Bea > >Best, Anaya >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Beatrice Hopkinson" <[log in to unmask]> >To: "The archaeobotany mailing list" <[log in to unmask]>; >"Sarpaki Anaya" <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:13 AM >Subject: Re: cess pit mineralised material > > >> Another correspondent from Crete has indicated there is quite a bit of >> salt making on Crete and salt has been found at Minoan levels in a cave. >> I was interested in your comment that the seeds in this pit were charred >> and mineralized and am wondering if charring made these seeds more porous? >> >> I ask because I am aware of a salt making process that utilized husks to >> absorb >> seawater to increase the salt saturation. these husks eventually burned >> to an ash >> and filtered with seawater to produce a brine that could be economically >> boiled. >> >> Bea >> >>>I am looking at few samples from a Minoan sewage at the site of Malia in >>>Crete and I am quite baffled by what I see......what seems to me to be >>>mineralised seeds, such as grape etc. However, legume seeds seem to also >>>have been mineralised and also fragments of "pods". As my experience is >>>with charred material I find quite difficult to "decipher" these forms. I >>>would therefore appreciate to have any references which might help me with >>>these. If anybody is working on cess pits/sewage mineralised material or >>>has published on these, I would very much appreciate to have their contact >>>address and/or references. >>> >>>Thank you for all the help, >>> >>>Anaya >>>_____________ >>>Dr Anaya.Sarpaki >>>Independent scholar >>>137 Tsikalaria, >>>73200 Souda - Chania, Crete. >>>Tel: +30 28210 81641 >>>Fax: +30 28210 28452 >>>[log in to unmask] >> >> >> Hon. Secretary Los Angeles Branch, Oxford University Society >> AIA Board member, Los Angeles, >> UCLA Institute of Archaeology Associate >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1093 - Release Date: >> 25/10/2007 5:38 μμ >> >> > Hon. 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