Hi,
I am also very interested in this topic. Have you across the
idea of physiological plateaus in labour and the MANA Curve?
Denis Walsh
Reader in Normal Birth
University of Central Lancashire
Independent Midwifery Consultant
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Subject: Vedr.:SV: link between epidurals and caesareans?
Hi
You will find some more recent studies in
these three references:
Anim-Somuah M, Smyth R, Howell C. Epidural versus non-epidural or no analgesia in
labour.Cochrane
Database Syst Rev. 2005; Issue 4. Art. No.: CD000331. DOI:
10.1002/14651858.CD000331.pub2.
And in two
reviews, one by Leighton and one by Lieberman, published in the same
issue of Am J Obstst Gynecol 2002;186.
Beatrice Hogg:
you seem to be interested in oxytocin and dystocia. Are you studying these
subjects? I am writnig on my thesis on dystocia in nulliparous women rigth now,
and I am interested in contact with other researchers in this field, so please
give me a note if you are doing research in the field of dystocia and
oxytocics,
Kind regards
Hanne
Hanne Kjaergaard
RM, doctoral
student
Copenhagen
University Hospital
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Emne: SV: link between epidurals and caesareans?
Hi,
search for Cnattingius ? he has put together delivery results for obese women
inSwedenand seen that there is a higher risk for them to have complicated
pregnancies and deliveries. High bloodpressure, miscarriages, still born
babies, preterm delivery, problems during and after delivery and higher risk
for a caesarean with the risk of trombosis, wound-infections etc. But research
about fatness or obese pregnant women is rather new but there is more research
today than just a few years ago. If you search at Pub Med or Medline databanks
for risks with epidurals and caesareans you will see some risks of prolonged
labour, dissatisfaction with labour but also problems with breastfeeding and
bonding to the baby afterwards. Search for Nissen. E, Lilja.G, Widström AM,
Uvnäs-Moberg, K. Elevation of oxytocin early postpartum in women. Acta
Obstetrica Gynecol Scand 1995;74:530-533. About obesity again it has a
threefold risk of having a stillborn baby i.e. higher risk than smoking mothers
have. I feel that if it is possible obese women should deliver their babies
vaginally if the baby is OK.
Epidurals
and cesaerian section can inhibit the production of oxytocin because Ferguson´s
reflex is blocked. In following study it is shown that oxytocinproduction is
decreased when epidurals are used ? Hillan EM. Maternal-infant attachment
following caesarean delivery J Clin Nurs 1992;1:33-37 . Hope this was some help
and that you might find newer articles in the subject.
Beatrice
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Ämne: link between epidurals and caesareans?
I wonder if you could help me with a question I am
grappling with on a Labour Ward Forum.
Are you aware of any current research that shows a link between
epidurals and caesareans?
I sit on a NHS Labour Ward Forum, where there is a concerning
trend to direct women with a BMI greater than 35 directly to an anaesthetist,
who persuasively encourages them to have an epidural in early labour. The
caesarean section rate is also approximately 26%, not all of which can be
ascribed to high BMI women!
I know there are risks with a high BMI, and epidurals are easier
to site in early labour, but I am very concerned on several counts.
Firstly it rockets women in to a higher risk category that might not need to be
there. Secondly there is no hint of informed decision making - the
anaesthetist is very directive and persuasive. But my third and greatest
concern, and the one for which I would be grateful for your help, is that the
anaesthetist claims that there is categorically no extra risk of a caesarean
for these women as a result of the epidural. At the last LWF, a junior doctor
also claimed this for epidurals.
I have found several research papers that cite no extra risk -
however I can see flaws in the research.
From my own practice as an NCT antenatal teacher and tutor I
strongly believe that there is a link. I am aware of several pieces of
research linking epidurals and increased risk of caesarean.
This is one of them:-
The effect of intrapartum epidural analgesia on nulliparous labor:
a randomized, controlled, prospective trial. Thorp JA, Hu DH, Albin RL, et al.
Am J Obstet Gynecol 1993;169(4):851-8.
OBJECTIVE: Our purpose was to determine the effect of epidural
analgesia on nulliparous labor and delivery. STUDY DESIGN: Normal term
nulliparous women in early spontaneous labor were randomized to receive either
narcotic or epidural analgesia. RESULTS: When compared with the group receiving
narcotic analgesia (n = 45), the group receiving epidural analgesia (n = 48)
had a significant prolongation in the first and second stages of labor, an
increased requirement for oxytocin augmentation, and a significant slowing in
the rate of cervical dilatation. Epidural analgesia was associated with a
significant increase in malposition (4.4% vs 18.8%, p < 0.05). Cesarean
delivery occurred more frequently in the epidural group (2.2% vs 25%, p <
0.05), primarily related to an increase in cesarean section for dystocia (2.2%
vs 16.7%, p < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: In a randomized, controlled, prospective
trial epidural analgesia resulted in a significant prolongation in the first
and second stages of labor and a significant increase in the frequency of
cesarean delivery, primarily related to dystocia.
I have found another that links induction and epidural with
caesarean (Kaul et al (2004), and a BMJ 2004 piece that low dose epidurals
don?t show a link with caesareans - however what?s a ?low dose?, and what are
the links to caesareans with ?high dose? epidurals?
I am concerned at tabling research from 1993. I would be
very grateful for any other research or further detail you might have.
Conversely, if I am wrong I more than happy to be set right.
Thank you for your help.
Pam
Pam Fenton
National Childbirth Trust - National Tutor
tel. 01494 718502
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