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Hi,

I am also very interested in this topic. Have you across the idea of physiological plateaus in labour and the MANA Curve?

Denis Walsh

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University of Central Lancashire

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Hi

You will find some more recent studies in these three references:

Anim-Somuah M, Smyth R, Howell C. Epidural versus non-epidural or no analgesia in labour.Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2005; Issue 4. Art. No.: CD000331. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD000331.pub2.

 

And in two reviews, one by  Leighton and one by Lieberman, published in the same issue of Am J Obstst Gynecol  2002;186.

 

Beatrice Hogg: you seem to be interested in oxytocin and dystocia. Are you studying these subjects? I am writnig on my thesis on dystocia in nulliparous women rigth now, and I am interested in contact with other researchers in this field, so please give me a note if you are doing research in the field of dystocia and oxytocics,

Kind regards

Hanne

 

Hanne Kjaergaard

RM, doctoral student

Copenhagen University Hospital

+ 45 35 45 88 75

 

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Emne: SV: link between epidurals and caesareans?

Hi, search for Cnattingius ? he has put together delivery results for obese women inSwedenand seen that there is a higher risk for them to have complicated pregnancies and deliveries. High bloodpressure, miscarriages, still born babies, preterm delivery, problems during and after delivery and higher risk for a caesarean with the risk of trombosis, wound-infections etc. But research about fatness or obese pregnant women is rather new but there is more research today than just a few years ago. If you search at Pub Med or Medline databanks for risks with epidurals and caesareans you will see some risks of prolonged labour, dissatisfaction with labour but also problems with breastfeeding and bonding to the baby afterwards. Search for Nissen. E, Lilja.G, Widström AM, Uvnäs-Moberg, K. Elevation of oxytocin early postpartum in women. Acta Obstetrica Gynecol Scand 1995;74:530-533. About obesity again it has a threefold risk of having a stillborn baby i.e. higher risk than smoking mothers have. I feel that if it is possible obese women should deliver their babies vaginally if the baby is OK.

Epidurals and cesaerian section can inhibit the production of oxytocin because Ferguson´s reflex is blocked. In following study it is shown that oxytocinproduction is decreased when epidurals are used ? Hillan EM. Maternal-infant attachment following caesarean delivery J Clin Nurs 1992;1:33-37 . Hope this was some help and that you might find newer articles in the subject.

 

Beatrice Hogg

 


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Ämne: link between epidurals and caesareans?

 

  I wonder if you could help me with a question I am grappling with on a Labour Ward Forum.

 

Are you aware of any current research that shows a link between epidurals and caesareans?

 

I sit on a NHS Labour Ward Forum, where there is a concerning trend to direct women with a BMI greater than 35 directly to an anaesthetist, who persuasively encourages them to have an epidural in early labour.  The caesarean section rate is also approximately 26%, not all of which can be ascribed to high BMI women!

 

I know there are risks with a high BMI, and epidurals are easier to site in early labour, but I am very concerned on several counts.  Firstly it rockets women in to a higher risk category that might not need to be there.  Secondly there is no hint of informed decision making - the anaesthetist is very directive and persuasive.  But my third and greatest concern, and the one for which I would be grateful for your help, is that the anaesthetist claims that there is categorically no extra risk of a caesarean for these women as a result of the epidural.  At the last LWF, a junior doctor also claimed this for epidurals.

 

I have found several research papers that cite no extra risk - however I can see flaws in the research. 

 

From my own practice as an NCT antenatal teacher and tutor I strongly believe that there is a link.  I am aware of several pieces of research linking epidurals and increased risk of caesarean. 

 

This is one of them:-


The effect of intrapartum epidural analgesia on nulliparous labor: a randomized, controlled, prospective trial. Thorp JA, Hu DH, Albin RL, et al. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1993;169(4):851-8.


OBJECTIVE: Our purpose was to determine the effect of epidural analgesia on nulliparous labor and delivery. STUDY DESIGN: Normal term nulliparous women in early spontaneous labor were randomized to receive either narcotic or epidural analgesia. RESULTS: When compared with the group receiving narcotic analgesia (n = 45), the group receiving epidural analgesia (n = 48) had a significant prolongation in the first and second stages of labor, an increased requirement for oxytocin augmentation, and a significant slowing in the rate of cervical dilatation. Epidural analgesia was associated with a significant increase in malposition (4.4% vs 18.8%, p < 0.05). Cesarean delivery occurred more frequently in the epidural group (2.2% vs 25%, p < 0.05), primarily related to an increase in cesarean section for dystocia (2.2% vs 16.7%, p < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: In a randomized, controlled, prospective trial epidural analgesia resulted in a significant prolongation in the first and second stages of labor and a significant increase in the frequency of cesarean delivery, primarily related to dystocia.

I have found another that links induction and epidural with caesarean (Kaul et al (2004), and a BMJ 2004 piece that low dose epidurals don?t show a link with caesareans - however what?s a ?low dose?, and what are the links to caesareans with ?high dose? epidurals?

 

I am concerned at tabling research from 1993.  I would be very grateful for any other research or further detail you might have.  Conversely, if I am wrong I more than happy to be set right.

 

Thank you for your help.

 

Pam

 

 

Pam Fenton

National Childbirth Trust - National Tutor

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