The big issue for me is that, as a user, I have to go to each of these accredited sources individually. Google goes to zillions of sources at the same time. It's just not worth the effort to log into multiple password-controlled sources. The Google approach might be a bit hit-and-miss in terms of quality, but at least it's easy enough to use. Even with IP-based access in the library, it's still a pain to go through this process. I think we'd get more value from a system that provided a single, customisable frontend to these resources, providing an aggregated search to cover all of them. Search once, read results from many sources. I'd like to see MLA advocating for (and maybe providing?) a much more joined-up way of using these resources. I'd also like to see them imposing standardised reporting requirements on the vendors of these systems, especially considering the advent of more meaningful measurement of virtual library visits. Each resource - the OUP bundle, British Standards, NewsUK etc. - provides its own statistics and has its own reporting standards. Wouldn't it be easier to compare usage (and value) if they all reported in the same way, via the same single access point? Or am I too pedantic? Publicity materials are definitely necessary, but the products need to meet librarians' *and* users' expectations of quality *and* functionality. Michael (who is apparently rather cranky today - sorry!) -----Original Message----- From: lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of leech, helen Sent: 21 September 2007 11:09 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [LIS-PUB-LIBS] Online resources - KnowUK, OUP etc Thanks, Peter. I agree with you - I'm convinced that our future lies in providing / guiding people to quality information online, but we're in a situation here where there's a straightforward choice between providing children's books or online resources, and there's no contest when use is so low in comparison. I really need a lever to persuade my authority that these things are worth funding, and I don't have that lever. (The same thing really applies to all of our library services. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the Blueprint for Excellence and the CAA framework, but they don't look as if they will be prescriptive.) Regards Helen -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 21 September 2007 10:37 To: leech, helen Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Online resources - KnowUK, OUP etc Is this not really about how we promote these resources? Google and Wikipediaa may be very popular simply because that's all people know about. My argument for taking things like Britannica, or the OUP package is that they are accredited sources of information, which is often not the case with the results from Google etc. In due course many title are no longer going to be printed as hard copy, so what do we turn to then? personally I would like the MLA to start talking about getting further reductions in the subscriptions, and that we establish some form of uniform publicity that we can all use to promote the resources as in reality the cost is often high due to the low use. and if any one is wondering why I have responded, up until a few months ago I was heading the reference team Peter Hebdon Senior Librarian, Fiction & Reader Development Wallsend Library Ferndale Road Wallsend NE28 7NB Tel: 0191 200 6968 Fax: 0191 200 6967 Email: [log in to unmask] Unless otherwise stated, opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are personal and not those of North Tyneside Council "leech, helen" <helen.leech@MEDWA To: [log in to unmask] Y.GOV.UK> cc: (bcc: Peter Hebdon/Cultural Services/ECS/ntc) Sent by: Subject: Online resources - KnowUK, OUP etc "lis-pub-libs: UK Public Libraries" <LIS-PUB-LIBS@JISC MAIL.AC.UK> 20/09/2007 16:14 Please respond to "leech, helen" Along with every other authority I know of, Medway Libraries budgets are in a tight squeeze. At the moment we subscribe to a good range of online resources, including Times digital archive, CANS, Encyclopaedia Britannica, and the subscriptions organised through the MLA. We're having to consider carefully which ones we will continue. So I'd like to ask the question: Is there a future for online subscriptions, when Google and Wikipedia reign supreme? I'd appreciate hearing from other authorities in a similar situation - either to compare situations or to form a mutual support group! Many thanks Helen Leech Area Librarian, Medway Library Service Visitor's Centre 95 High Street Rochester Kent ME1 1LX Tel 01634 337358 Email [log in to unmask] This email has been scanned for viruses and inappropriate content by Clearswift MIMEsweeper service. North Tyneside Council does not guarantee this email to be free of any viruses. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that this message and any attachments are virus free. 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