 |
 |
That reference by Paul Bivand provides a lot of interesting information. As I recall it at the same stage of the 2001 census the ONS was proclaiming the importance of public consultation. And it appeared that everything was up for consultation except the idea of a One-Number Census. The One-Number idea failed dismally. Now it appears that the consultation has been replaced by the idea of paying suppliers to organise the census. With no mention of public consultation. That my be a very 'rational' solution, but I share Janet Shapiro's unease at Lockheed Martin becoming a major supplier. The 'war on terror' has seems to have impelled a number of US organizations to suspend any commitment to what were widely accepted moral principles. A firm like Lockheed Martin would ignore clauses of confidentialy in a Census contract with the UK Government if it could find any justification in terms of the defence of the US. The contractual relationship between a supplier and the Government will also make it more difficult to get information on the activities of suppliers. They will plead that they cannot give information because it would give advantages to their competitors. Ray Thomas, Faculty of Social Sciences, Open University ****************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: email list for Radical Statistics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Bivand Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:14 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lockheed Martin shortlisted for Census The answer to John Whittington's question may be on this National Statistics page http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census/2011census/collectingtheinfo/workingsuppliers.asp. Looks like there are only two contractors in place to bid for the data capture and associated systems work - one of which is Lockheed Martin. --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Bivand Head of Analysis and Statistics Direct Line: 020 7840 8335 Inclusion 3rd floor, 89 Albert Embankment, London SE1 7TP Tel: 020 7582 7221 Fax: 020 7582 6391 Inclusion website: www.cesi.org.uk The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient please return the e-mail to the sender and delete from your mailbox. The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee. -----Original Message----- From: email list for Radical Statistics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Whittington Sent: 14 August 2007 14:38 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lockheed Martin shortlisted for Census At 13:41 14/08/07 +0100, Janet Shapiro wrote (in small part): >Lockheed Martin is one of the shortlisted contractors to provide data >capture and storage services for the 2011 Census, .... ......The >petition - to be found at the url below - is worded as follows: "We the >undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop the involvement of arms >company Lockheed Martin in the 2011 Census for England and Wales, >Northern Ireland and Scotland, because this company's history of >working in American military intelligence will undermine public >confidence in the Census process." Janet, are you in a position to share with us the identities of the other shortlisted contractors, in order that we might attempt to judge their relative merits/demerits, rather than pass judgment on one of them out of that context? Kind Regards, John ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dr John Whittington, Voice: +44 (0) 1296 730225 Mediscience Services Fax: +44 (0) 1296 738893 Twyford Manor, Twyford, E-mail: [log in to unmask] Buckingham MK18 4EL, UK ---------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************************** Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message. If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask] Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk. ******************************************************* ****************************************************** Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message. If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask] Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk. ******************************************************* -- Я использую бесплатную версию SPAMfighter для частных пользователей. Программа удалила 81 эл. письма спама, полученные до настоящего времени. Пользователи платной версии не имеют этого сообщения в их электронных письмах. Попробовать:http://www.spamfighter.com/lru ****************************************************** Please note that if you press the 'Reply' button your message will go only to the sender of this message. If you want to reply to the whole list, use your mailer's 'Reply-to-All' button to send your message automatically to [log in to unmask] Disclaimer: The messages sent to this list are the views of the sender and cannot be assumed to be representative of the range of views held by subscribers to the Radical Statistics Group. To find out more about Radical Statistics and its aims and activities and read current and past issues of our newsletter you are invited to visit our web site www.radstats.org.uk. *******************************************************