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hahaha the 'tude. gotta watch out for the 'tude man. really. what helps me is reading "Ballad of the Long-Legged Bait" aloud, then reading whatever I've just written. HUMBLE PIE KS On 21/08/07, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I think play - serious play - is the only thing that works when you > write poems. Thoughts of posterity weigh people into the ground. > > Cutting up your own work, or letting others share the experience is > remarkably freeing for me. Certainly takes the preciousness out of the > 'tude. > > What "works" for the reader/viewer is another matter. they seem to > make up their own minds; come away with their own views, no matter > what (metaphorical) electric fences I erect in my work. I suspect this > is what you were trying to avoid *grins* > > Roger > > On 8/21/07, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Thanks for the Emily child abuse explanation in your preceding email, Sweet P. I rather liked being innocent of it, tho, come to think of it. > > > > While I warm considerably to your suggestions of other than "good/bad" categories, I do wonder about the "good/bad" and would enjoy folks' answers to the perennial questions of what "works" in poems and why it works. But Oh groan and heavyburdening-----it might become one of those boring pedantic debatey threads. YAK! Forget my wonderings; I'll just go have breakfast. No, no! I'll write a poem about eggs! Yes, that's it, EGGS!!! > > > > your devoted fan who hangs on your every......(bleep) > > > > joodles > > > > > > > > ---- Patrick McManus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Was very cheered by this -also perhaps poetry can be just what one does > > > -like compulsive/creative/play/fun/getting by sort/Type of thing > > > Cheers P > > > Perhaps more categories than simple good/bad like relevant whatever > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > > > Behalf Of Kenneth Wolman > > > Sent: 21 August 2007 05:00 > > > To: [log in to unmask] > > > Subject: Re: collage poetry > > > > > > TheOldMole wrote: > > > > > > > > I asked how can you ever be sure > > > > that what you write is really > > > > any good at all and he said you can't > > > > > > > > you can't you can never be sure > > > > you die without knowing > > > > whether anything you wrote was any good > > > > if you have to be sure don't write > > > > > > The God's honest truth. Not because you can but because you fear you can't. > > > > > > k > > > > > > -------------------- > > > Ken Wolman rainermaria.typepad.com > > > > > > We're neither pure, nor wise, nor good > > > We'll do the best we know. > > > We'll build our house and chop our wood > > > And make our garden grow... > > > > > > Bernstein/Wilbur, "Candide" > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/961 - Release Date: 19/08/2007 > > > 07:27 > > > > > -- > My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ > "In peace, sons bury their fathers. In war, fathers bury their sons." > Roman Proverb >