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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Also, check Hans Walther's Proveriba sentiaeque, in case the expression attained proverb status. Tom Izbicki Gyorgy Gereby wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > It occurred to me that what if it is Abaleard's joke? This wisdom about > the empty purse sounds so weird. A wonderful truism, after all. And he > had really good humour, I recon. > > Something in the vein of ... the wise king Solomon said you can never > fail that opposite to the other side of a river lies this side. > > Why not check in the Carmina burana and other goliard poetry first ... > > Sorry for the frivolous idea, but I enjoyed imaging Abaelard making it > up. > > best, > > George > > > >>>> Robert Kraft <[log in to unmask]> 08/24/07 5:22 PM >>> >>>> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Sounds like perhaps the Solomon who was believed to be master of "magic" > > and related matters (see the "Testament of Solomon" traditions, among > others). I'm away from my office, and thus unable to check sources. > > Bob Kraft, UPenn > > > > >> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and >> > culture > >> I have two lines [what ONLY 2??] from Peter Abelard's "Carmen ad >> Astralabium" which have foxed me as to the reference. They concern >> (presumably King) Solomon, he the exemplar of wisdom. >> >> ut Salomon meminit, pertusus saculus eius >> de quo produxit tanta fefellit eum. >> >> Which my faithful translator renders: >> >> As Solomon recalled, the purse from which he had brought forth very >> > many > >> great things was of no use when it wore into a hole. >> >> Carmen ad Astralabium lines 923-4 (Rubingh-Bosscher edition) >> >> I have hunted through the OT and the Apocrypha, the Golden Legend and >> > some > >> assorted reference books but cannot track the allusion to its source. >> > R-B > >> gives Haggai 1.6 and Proverbs 7.20 but I think these are so vague they >> > > >> cannot be the source. >> >> Any ideas ? I suspect some mediaeval legend of King S but don't know >> > where > >> else to look. >> >> Hopefully, >> >> Brenda M C >> >> ********************************************************************** >> To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME >> to: [log in to unmask] >> To send a message to the list, address it to: >> [log in to unmask] >> To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion >> to: [log in to unmask] >> In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: >> [log in to unmask] >> For further information, visit our web site: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html >> >> > > > > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html