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From what I read, it was more that employers were complaining about days work lost in their employees. Are people no longer allowed to stay off work if ill? I suppose if they see a lawyer about house moves they have to take annual leave, maybe that is the real problem? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Caldwell" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Demise of primary care? > Oh i think its going to be great! i'll work shifts 8-2 or 2-8; monday and > tuesday off if work a weekend. that'll mean only 2 GPs in on monday morning > most weeks (allowing for stress related sickness and annual leave) for 15K > pts, then pts will really moan to politicians about docs being not > available. then we can reply to the DOH "we told u so". > the Times article made a v good point that the vast majority of pt are > young, old, chronically sick for whom extended hours has no real advantage > (in fact the young and the old actually want staggered surgeries during the > day according to our pt survey) and those on shift work have no problem > getting to am or pm surgeries. i actually think the pressure is indirectly > from the hospitals saying that the OOH arrangements by PCTs (pace cock up) > have caused a large rise in ambulance costs, A+E and hospital emergency > admissions. The overspent PCTs (who r suppose to be on our side in the very > nature of the initials) are also reporting similar to the DOH as they have > to pay the emergency admissions. > > > >From: Declan Fox <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: GP-UK <[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: Demise of primary care? > >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:44:40 +0100 > > > >Yes a bit more to this, isn't there? We do have wonderful approval ratings > >here in the UK which must be the main reason nLabour hates us so much. > >Problem is, we don't use our popularity. I was feeling a bit cranky when I > >wrote that Brit pts have been indoctrinated by the state--I think they > >have, to some extent, and they seem unable to put the blame for poor > >services squarely where it belongs, but I think that if we had leaders > >willing to forego their gongs and put their heads up with shouts of Aux > >Armes Citoyens! now and again---which is what happens in Canada--we would > >all be the better for it. > >Declan > > > > > > > ><<On 8/21/07, Declan Fox <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > >> Jel > > >> > > >> <<Have been part of one day of job action by docs here over the last 6 > > >> years. > > >> How many years is it since the docs in the UK stood up for > >themselves?>> > > >> > > >> And Canadian patients support their docs by and large when they take > > >> action. Brit patients have been indoctrinated by the state. > > >> Our BMA leaders and negotiators are not leaders and that is our problem > > >> here. > > >> > > >> Declan > > >> > > > > > >I have to say our patients do support us. Any politician with the > >approval ratings that we get from our patients would be cock-a-hoop! > > > >Cheers Geoff > > > >-- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Pimped! FREE emoticon packs from Windows Live - > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 22/08/2007 09:05 >