henry, maybe it's just me, but i have a hard time deciphering your note, i'll try to answer it as far as i can understand it but you seem to be using some type of jargon/style that i'm not entirely familiar with so pardon if i'll miss your questions. first, my question was related to the representation of surveillance which is not limited to cameras but is generally a collection of data so in this case Deja Vu would count, i think, as it's not a matter of camera per se but the fact that there's all this visual data. second, i'm not sure what you mean by "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" - are you saying that the issues/questions i've raised would necessarily be discussed with an unfortunate addition of anti-Americanism, or are you suggesting that the way i put forth my musings is anti-American? third, "the viewer is provided a feeling of (infantile-narcissistic) omnipotence" - is this a statement you're making regarding some of my questions? is it an observation that you are sharing with the list? did you interpret my approach to be suggesting it? and finally, i don't think i mentioned either "the Big Other" or "the order of symbolic" or this particular way of thinking about "the gaze" but i think general public (as in people like me) are (re)assured that the majority of surveillance regimes are not threatening them in any way, in fact, they are rather quietly complying with those regimes by entering their personal data into computers when requested or looking into camera or providing their ID numbers, passwords and etc. when asked, otherwise surveillance would not be able to function. my question had nothing to do with the above (and below) sentences though, i'm not sure you're really trying to answer any of them. and for the record, my own attitude toward both non-philosophers and popular culture is far from snobbish, i'm not sure what could give you that idea. evgeni v. pavlov ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ * * Film-Philosophy salon After hitting 'reply' please always delete the text of the message you are replying to. To leave, send the message: leave film-philosophy to: [log in to unmask] Or visit: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/film-philosophy.html For help email: [log in to unmask], not the salon. * Film-Philosophy journal: http://www.film-philosophy.com Contact: [log in to unmask] **