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Don't worry, it's good to have some fire here. You sound like I was when I first turned up on the board in 1999... (have a look in the archives!) David. >-----Original Message----- >From: A forum for critical and radical geographers >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Salvatore >Engel-DiMauro >Sent: 03 August 2007 15:27 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester > >you are right, i am reading too much into the vacancy >description. it would be more constructive, however, to have >explicit qualification as to the aims of the vacancy and how >terrorism is defined, for example. my apologies for sounding >offensive and for giving the impression of being suspicious of > Jon. i am actually suspicious of the institution, not Jon >(and having a job is not the point here, it is what one does >with the job that can contribute to an egalitarian society, >rather than jobs as ends in themselves). cheers, > >saed > >D F J Wood wrote: >> I'd be careful of infering things that aren't there and >calling them 'implicit'... >> >> Nowhere in the call does it offer a definition of terrorism >in general that excludes the sort of terrorism you talk about. >Nowhere in the call does in prescribe a set answer either, so >asking about Jon's 'strategy' as if he must be ideologically >suspect until proved otherwise is rather uncalled for. >> >> I presume you have made a thorough study of Jon's work and >are able to offer a comprehensive reading of his political >stance to support what you believe is implied? >> >> And I am sorry, but just because you happen to be vocal in >expressing a particular view on a particular subject does not >mean that everyone else who happens to be here is apolitical, >unengaged and non-critical. >> >> BTW, do you have a job? ;-) >> >> David. >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Salvatore Engel-DiMauro [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >>> Sent: 03 August 2007 15:09 >>> To: D F J Wood >>> Cc: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester >>> >>> right, and what is at stake here is the very material >terrorism meted >>> out to millions of people in public places, in cities, through the >>> sort of terrorism that is conveniently not recognised as >such if done >>> through state institutions. so, implicitly, the vacancy seems to >>> exclude this entirely, as it would contradict the mainstream, >>> government view of what counts as terrorism and then also >>> problematise the role of the UK government as a terrorist >>> organisation in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. but Jon Coaffee should tell >>> us what strategy he is aiming at, up front, in recruiting critical >>> geographers. >>> that for me would be reasonable, instead of presuming. what are the >>> aims? if only to offer a job, then why in this forum at all? >>> >>> saed >>> >>> D F J Wood wrote: >>> >>>> Well to some extent this is entirely true - you only have >to look at >>>> all sorts of research on the influence of new technologies >on urban >>>> form (Graham and Marvin, 2001; Thrift and French, 2003; some >>>> >>> of my own >>> >>>> work too) to see that one can perfectly well imagine a society in >>>> which the ability to socially construct space has been curtailed >>>> through material means. The question is whether we want a >>>> >>> society in >>> >>>> which the fabric of cities becomes more important than social >>>> construction. The call specifically mentions environments that are >>>> "effective and acceptable." The question of acceptability is not >>>> defined tightly here, so I can imagine multiple ethical, >political, >>>> social, cultural and other standards by which you might >judge such a >>>> thing. But to argue that form cannot (or indeed should not) >>>> >>> influence >>> >>>> behaviour and culture is as naive as pure technological >determinism. >>>> >>>> David. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------- >>> >>>> *From:* A forum for critical and radical geographers >>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Featherstone, Dave >>>> *Sent:* 03 August 2007 14:43 >>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester >>>> >>>> Ok- >>>> >>>> but I think the issue is that this research agenda appears top >>>> be framed in a way where it appears that terrorism is an issue >>>> which can be 'designed' out of cities, and that is what would >>>> appear to be the issue not what the results will >be.... This kind >>>> of perspective has been challenged for a whole range of >>>> questions- but is particularly problematic in relation >>>> >>> to issues >>> >>>> of terrorism where the relational context is so >significant... as >>>> Pete and Salvatore have suggested.... >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --------- >>> >>>> *From:* A forum for critical and radical geographers >on behalf of >>>> D F J Wood >>>> *Sent:* Fri 03/08/2007 14:31 >>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester >>>> >>>> Before we all get too carried away, it does not >specify what the >>>> results of the study should be. I am rather wary of attempts to >>>> prescribe certain 'objects' of research through >ideology (whether >>>> I happen to share that ideology or not). It is >perfectly possible >>>> to imagine critical methods and critical results from such a >>>> study. It's clear that the PI wants critical geogaphers >>>> >>> to apply... >>> >>>> David. >>>> >>>> >>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: A forum for critical and radical geographers >>>> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Salvatore >>>> >Engel-DiMauro >>>> >Sent: 03 August 2007 14:23 >>>> >To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >Subject: Re: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester >>>> > >>>> >i concur entirely. this is preposterous. or, what exactly does >>>> >such a post have to do with critical geography? it seems >>>> >counterintuitive to me. >>>> > >>>> >saed >>>> > >>>> >North, Peter wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> How about starting with not trying to dominate the >>>> >>> middle east to >>> >>>> >> secure the world's diminishing oil stocks? >>>> >> >>>> >> Peter North >>>> >> Department of Geography >>>> >> University of Liverpool >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers on >>>> >>> behalf of Jon >>> >>>> >> Coaffee >>>> >> Sent: Fri 03/08/2007 08:27 >>>> >> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> >> Subject: Research Vacancies - University of Manchester >>>> >> >>>> >> Apologies for cross postings >>>> >> >>>> >> Research Associates (two posts) >>>> >> Resilient Planning, Design and Management for Countering >>>> >Terrorism in >>>> >> Public Places - Centre for Urban Policy Studies School of >>>> >Environment >>>> >> and Development The University of Manchester >>>> >> http://www.jobs.ac.uk/jobfiles/ZG027.html >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Closing date: 28/08/2007 Salary - £26,666 - £30,012 p.a. >>>> >> >>>> >> The School of Environment and Development is seeking >>>> >>> to appoint two >>> >>>> >> Research Associates to work with the Centre for Urban Policy >>>> Studies >>>> >> (CUPS), tenable from October 2007 for 24 months in the first >>>> >instance. >>>> >> You will contribute to research connected to an EPSRC funded >>>> project >>>> >> focusing on Resilient Design (RE-DESIGN) for >>>> >>> counter-terrorism: >>> >>>> >> Decision support for designing effective and acceptable >>>> >resilient places. >>>> >> >>>> >> You will liaise with the Re-Design team to help >>>> >>> develop a unique >>> >>>> >> multi- disciplinary research framework for countering >>>> >>> terrorism in >>> >>>> >> crowded public places. >>>> >> >>>> >> You will have a PhD (or at least submitted by >>>> >>> contract start) in a >>> >>>> >> cognate discipline such as urban planning, human geography, >>>> >political >>>> >> science, international relations, urban sociology, >>>> architecture; and >>>> >> experience of conducting qualitative case study based >>>> >research to a high standard. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Informal enquiries >>>> >> Dr Jon Coaffee >>>> >> Tel: 0161 275 6903 >>>> >> Email: [log in to unmask] >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >Salvatore Engel-Di Mauro >>>> >Department of Geography, SUNY New Paltz >>>> >1 Hawk Drive, New Paltz, NY 12561 >>>> >tel: 1/845/2572991, fax: 1/845/2572992 >>>> >e-mail: [log in to unmask] >>>> > >>>> >Senior Editor >>>> >Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Journal of Ecosocialism >>>> > >>>> >Editor >>>> >ACME: An international e-journal for critical geographies >>>> >http://www.acme-journal.org/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Salvatore Engel-Di Mauro >>> Department of Geography, SUNY New Paltz >>> 1 Hawk Drive, New Paltz, NY 12561 >>> tel: 1/845/2572991, fax: 1/845/2572992 >>> e-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> >>> Senior Editor >>> Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Journal of Ecosocialism >>> >>> Editor >>> ACME: An international e-journal for critical geographies >>> http://www.acme-journal.org/ >>> >>> >>> > >-- >Salvatore Engel-Di Mauro >Department of Geography, SUNY New Paltz >1 Hawk Drive, New Paltz, NY 12561 >tel: 1/845/2572991, fax: 1/845/2572992 >e-mail: [log in to unmask] > >Senior Editor >Capitalism Nature Socialism: A Journal of Ecosocialism > >Editor >ACME: An international e-journal for critical geographies >http://www.acme-journal.org/ >