Anthony
 
Thanks for this detailed response.  I'm still puzzling through how I feel about it.  Certainly I have been at many NA groups (and AA) where the belief in God was quite explicit and people regularly reported having found strength through prayer.  On the other hand, a lot of NA/AAers (particularly the old hands) will tell you you can believe in any concept of a higher power that "floats your boat" - including the power of the group itself.  Now that seems to me to be not a million miles from TC thinking.  Certainly most people would characterise the difference between TC approaches and the rest as being tied up in a belief in the healing power of the group.  But would that be a "higher power"?? And if we characterise it as the traditional Judeo-Christian God (Yaweh, Jehovah) does that mitigate the power of the group - therefore anti-TC?
 
 
 
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From: Therapeutic Communities on behalf of Anthony Slater
Sent: Tue 7/31/2007 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion

Hi, here I go (at the risk of upsetting someone, somewhere, apologies in advance)

 

a) On the web site of the EFTC www.eftc-europe.com there is simple basic outlines of, for example the staff code of ethics & standards & goals, which touch on these issues. Also to put it simply attempt to state “our” position on this topic or topics.

b) The membership of the EFTC, for example includes countries and cultural diversity, in addition to different religious beliefs.

c) We agree to respect each others differences, in terms of each individual’s right to his or her’s own beliefs.

d) As the director of a therapeutic community, I think it is my responsibility to ensure that each person has the opportunity to develop and or express their own belief without judgment or influence from the tc environment.

e) My personal belief or lack of is my business and no-one else’s. However, to put it simply whatever that might be, I leave it at home when I am at work, and not use it to influence any community members, who may be vulnerable to “suggestion”.

 

In terms of the article and the Nazareth Code of Honor:

 

I agree that we should tread carefully here, though I must admit that I would have less of a problem if these people actually lived in Nazareth, for example. But apparently it’s Manila?

 

In terms of the statement “God is the center of my recovery”, I can only reply by saying that I asked one of our community members for her thoughts, as someone who has also been involved in other methods of treatment, which embraced the notion of a higher power. The community member replied, that she was not comfortable with that, and that it should be her own decision as to what to believe in or not.

 

A role which TC’s can play is to proved those in treatment, with the opportunity to discover, art, creativity, different cultures and of course belief systems, to stimulate a persons intellect or broaden their view of the world.  

 

In terms of “house philosophies”, here we have a translation of what was written by Richard Beavais during his stay at Daytop in the USA. When I met him at the last World Conference of Therapeutic Communities in New York, 2006, he described it as a poem that he had written, which touched upon similarities of those in that treatment programme, at that time.   

 

To return to the “Nazareth Code of Honor”:

 

It reads as a kind of mix of AA/ NA and a simplistic “outline” of what according to the newspaper, was written by a group of recovering addicts, maybe we should give them a pat on the back for at least making a start, to explain themselves?

 

Having said that, I read the translation as something that closely resembles organized Christian religion, and wonder about other communities in the region which may be Buddhist for example, I would guess that they have something else?

 

The last two sentences leave me feeling uneasy, as “I will be loyal and forever grateful to this family”, can lead to guilt when not achieved by an individual.

 

“I am a Nazarene”, I’d feel more comfortable if it said “I am a Manilan”, or something like that.

 

As to my own beliefs etc, that’s my business.

 

As ever, may the force be with you.

 

Anthony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: Therapeutic Communities [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rowdy Yates
Sent: 31 July 2007 11:02
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Anthony

 

It's Spanish for "example" or possibly "examplar".  Interesting that this is the only word they have not rendered in English.

 

 

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From: Therapeutic Communities on behalf of Anthony Slater
Sent: Mon 7/30/2007 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion

Hello, sorry if this sounds like a stupid question, but what is an ejemplo?

 

I looked at the link and at the article but wanted a bit of feedback, before any other response from me.

 

Anthony Slater.

 

From: Therapeutic Communities [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bill Puddicombe
Sent: 30. juli 2007 12:47
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Subject: Re: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion

 

I think one has to tread carefully on the whole subject of subjective ideas about morality and right living and allow people to figure out these things on their effects on others and themselves or their own beliefs.

 

To suggest that we are “honest and honourable”, unlike our service users is insufferable. It sets us up for entirely justifiable puncturing and the likelihood of it being an effective treatment method is low.

 

Finally, in the multicultural societies that we all work, to put ourselves forward as representative of any one religion is to exclude other believers and, most likely, atheists.

 

Now, as you might of all noticed, I’ve started hyperventilating, so I will have to go and exhale into my copy of Richard Dawkins.

 

All the best,

 

Bill

 


From: Rowdy Yates [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 30 July 2007 09:12
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Subject: [EFTC] TCs in the News - God and Religion

 

This is interesting (at least I think it is).  I have always thought of the TC as a secular, humanist movement.  Of course I have always known that many in the TC movement have a "spiritual driving force" but generally, in Europe, it seems to be a badge of personal faith and not central to the practice.  In this statement by the Director of a TC in the Phillipines, God (and not "God as we conceive him" - as they say in AA/NA) is very much a p;art of the process.  I've rarely seen it stated so clearly.  As an atheist, I find it a little uncomfortable, but I'd be really interested in other list-members' views:

 

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/july/26/yehey/life/20070726lif7.html

 

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