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Dear David Well said. I do think that design needs some pretty bold moves, even poetic ones, good or bad, mature or immature. In a recent message on my blog I made the following statement about two significant moments of the human design journey. http://design-for-india.blogspot.com/2007/07/ifa-exhibitions-in-stuttgart-and-berlin.html Quote That these aspects of design are not tangible in the exhibits is both a problem and a challenge for the design initiative and it would be appropriate for us to remember here that Germany is the home of both the Bauhaus (1919 – 1936) and the Hfg Ulm (1950 – 1968), both great design schools, nay great design movements, that showed the world the power and subtlety of design, from shaping form to structure, and from the creation of meaning and beyond, at one level a play of aesthetics and technology, at another economy and style and at yet another, politics and philosophy and about the shaping and manifestations of a vision or intention, the shaping of culture itself. UnQuote What you see in design exhibits and images is not the whole story and similarly what you read in poetry is not the whole story either, the difference may lie in the intentions and not in the expresion. Your call to the poets on the list could be extended to the designers as well, do you agree? With warm regards M P Ranjan from my Mac at home on the NID campus 26 July 2007 at 11.55 pm IST _______________________________________________________________________ Prof M P Ranjan Faculty of Design Head, Centre for Bamboo Initiatives at NID (CFBI-NID) Chairman, GeoVisualisation Task Group (DST, Govt. of India) (2006-2008) National Institute of Design Paldi Ahmedabad 380 007 India Tel: (off) 91 79 26623692 ext 1090 (changed in January 2006) Tel: (res) 91 79 26610054 Fax: 91 79 26605242 email: [log in to unmask] web site: http://homepage.mac.com/ranjanmp/ web domain: http://www.ranjanmp.in blog: http://design-for-india.blogspot.com _______________________________________________________________________ David Sless wrote: > > When MP Ranjan said: > > > I have been arguing that design is a class apart from both science > > and art, although it uses both these in full measure at its best, > > and at many times falls between these two stools in our > > interpretation and description of the field. > > I was reminded of this quote from T.S. Elliot > > > Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what > > they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at > > least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a > > whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from > > which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has > > no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in > > time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. > > Here's to the good poets amongst us with the courage to steal and > make ones own. > > David