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It's perhaps also interesting to note this approach appears to be gaining ground with other DSPs too. Ovid, ScienceDirect and Blackwell Synergy are all moving in this direction. Blackwell's aren't live with their's yet, but Ovid are: https://shibboleth.ovid.com/secure-ssl Though we're back to the user needing to know they're in the UK Access Management Federation (few if any will), or being savy enough to list all institutions, on the Ovid version. The JSTOR version is much more user friendly. Sue >>> Sean Dunne <[log in to unmask]> 06/07/2007 11:46 >>> Nicole wrote: > Interestingly, we were talking about this > in detail recently. A preferred solution of mine is that adopted by > JSTOR. Although they have maintained an Athens link, they have also > integrated all Athens sites in to their WAYF. See: > https://www.jstor.org/wayf/WAYF. Putting everything in to a WAYF does > have the advantage of a single process in front of the user and the > flow through to the correct log-in box happening behind the scenes. After initially preferring the Edina approach of one web page with separate login buttons for Athens and UK Federation users, I am increasingly coming round to Nicole's preferred solution for the user interafce for a Shibbolized service. With so many possible variants of authentication methods (Classic Athens, AthensDA, UK Federation via institutional IdP, UK Federation via Athens-to-Shibboleth gateway, non-UK Federation), many users would just not know which login button to choose in the first scenario. Describing how the user should choose correctly would be a nightmare. It's likely that we will adopt the solution of a customised WAYF for all users for remote login to the MIMAS CrossFire service when we release the UK Federation route to CrossFire shortly. We will have to keep a record of which institutions are using which authentication route so that we can present the correct one to the user, but that's not too difficult with a service like Crossfire where we have a limited number (about 80) of subscribing institutions. By using a customized WAYF we can also hide the fact that Athens-to-Shibboleth gateway users (when we get any) have to select "Eduserv Athens" at the UK Federation WAYF, which I think is really bizarre. best wishes Sean Dunne MIMAS