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Hi All, Just to add my comments to the mix. I have recently secured funding for the transcription of written materials for a students course, such as core texts, journals and research materials to be transcribed into written BSL/plain English. I did find the DfES regs really helpful in doing this, to establish where the University responsibilities end and the DSA's pick up. SKILLS were also really helpful, along with colleagues in the sector too! None of our Deaf students have ever asked for this type of support before however, so this is something I am getting to grips with myself. Simon Morris Disability Adviser Tel: +44 (0)1642 342279 Fax: +44 (0)1642 342289 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Turner, Paddy Sent: 16 July 2007 12:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Converting text to BSL I assume, Jeff, that you mean it should be the responsibility of the appropriate University service provider to ensure that it's materials were accessible? I agree - in much the same way that we argue that they should pay for brailling or coloured paper. It may be that the disabled student support service would provide the actual interpreter or perhaps point them in the right direction. At least, that's what we would do here. John - as a stand alone language BSL has the capacity to go as far as any language, but it is true to say that it has limitations in it's use as a fixed form (as in written language). I don't think anyone would argue that a Learning Centre should work through it's entire catalogue just in case a BSL user wished to borrow something - even taking anticipatory duty into account. This is not done with Braille versions of books for the same reason. It's just not reasonable. A BSL user does not have to be in the position of not being able to read English AT ALL to be disadvantaged by the level of English reading involved. It cannot be doubted that they would receive more equal access were the materials to be translated. The question is - is this a reasonable adjustment? ....and in my view it is a good question. I suspect that some translation is reasonable, but how much would depend on the volume of material to be translated, the student's ability with English and so on.....we tend to encourage the student to engage with the written English versions and then work with support tutors and/or interpreters for clarification - it's not equal access but we have had no complaints so far, but that is not to say that we won't get one tomorrow....... We have not gone to the extent you are being asked for Pauline - but neither have we been asked for it. It may be interesting to see how the Americans have tackled this issue - they tend to be ahead of us in all these matters and what goes there comes here eventually.. cheers Paddy Sheffield Hallam University -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeff Hughes Sent: 14 July 2007 16:13 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Converting text to BSL If another student had a first language other than English and was not disabled would the university's disability support be expected to provide written translations when access to written text in English was available? 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WA10 3BF Tel: 08453 700 442 Reg Office: WA10 3BJ39 UK Company No: 2904434 Vat: GB 643 7211 52 In your message regarding Re: Converting text to BSL dated Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:03:53 +0100, John Conway said that ... > surely there are limits to how far BSL as a stand alone language goes? > does the student also want all the library books converting in a similar fashion? > i can understand anything spoken being converted into BSL, but this > looks like the student cannot read English. > as we are currently reveiwing our DES, does this mean we've missed out > a whole sphere of inclusive practice? could anyone advise me just > what we should have included for BSL / deaf students as i would like ot get it right. > many thanks > John > -----Original Message----- > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. > on behalf of Pauline McInnes > Sent: Fri 13-Jul-07 16:55 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Converting text to BSL > > Dear All, > I wonder if anyone has experienced this before. 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