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Je est an autre... I got him up out of bed today, put him in the shower, shaved, made breakfast, etc. "Je" insisted on going for a cup of coffee, and a walk in the sun. It was when "Je" wanted to go over and knock off my friend, Verlaine, I had to intervene and put his weapon back in the closet. Otherwise, "Je" has escapades that I find quite entertaining - I always put the good stuff into my journal to make into poems at 'an autre' time. Rimbaudo > Sure, but I think many of us here in this ongoing, & fascinating, > conversation, are speaking about what works, at the moment, for us as > we write(or attempt to). > > I don't want to deny the 'I', but merely to state that most of the time > it doesn't work as a method for me, right now anyway. > > I do think that the discussion is good precisely because it has shown > how different we all are, while clearly committed to artistic 'truth.' > (let's leave 'sincerity' out of it, although I do like Anny's comment > on 'sinceritas'). The work, the poem, needs to come to us as honest [in > its craft, art, whatever] (the writer, well s/he/s somewhere else)... > > Doug > On 6-Jun-07, at 4:47 AM, Joseph Duemer wrote: > >> "If a poet has something besides themselves and their gift to share >> with us >> . . ." >> >> Yes, agree. And also with the poem as revealing the "fullness of the >> world," >> in Stephen's phrase. But I think, too, that that not using the first >> person >> is just as often a stance, a position, a pose, as the worst falsely >> "sincere" lyric. If you want to avoid what I would rather call >> sentimentality, you are going to have to do more than abandon the first >> person pronoun. (By 'you' I don't mean anyone it particular, here or >> elsewhere.) >> >> jd > Douglas Barbour > 11655 - 72 Avenue NW > Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9 > (780) 436 3320 > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > Latest book: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > > > Art has to be forgotten: Beauty must be realized. > > Piet Mondrian