It's not that grocery lists aren't interesting. But then Warhol didn't imagine he was writing poetry, just collecting ephemera. And Warhol didn't believe in depth, Stafford did. jd On 6/13/07, Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Re.: Grocery List : > that is more or less what is in Andy Warhol diaries, I do have the big > fat book here_ > > > On 6/13/07, Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > That's true of many poets. I think William Stafford would have been > > well-served by an editor who said (about 60% of the time), "Well, Bill, > this > > is pretty weak stuff -- you shouldn't publish it." But there was a > moment in > > American poetry when Stafford was a god, at least in some circles, and > he > > could have published his grocery lists to great acclaim. > > > > jd > > > > On 6/12/07, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > So have I. Let's just say that he could use an editor. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > At 04:20 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote: > > > >Well, Jennifer, the "stuff/stiff" play is clever, but I'd wager that > > > >reputation-making critics Marjorie Perloff and Harold Bloom have read > > > with > > > >considerable interest a large percentage of Kinsella's > "reams". Barry > > > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:26:40 +1000, Jennifer Compton > > > ><[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >insomniac vegan poets tend to write reams of stuff - reams of stiff > no > > > one > > > > >wants to read > > > > > > > > > >reams!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >From: Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> > > > > >Reply-To: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" <[log in to unmask] > > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > > > >Subject: Re: John Kinsella > > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:13:07 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Yes, the few time he talked to me about his early life, as well as > his > > > >first > > > > >memoir, certainly suggested a wild life in his tees. > > > > > > > > > >And he certainly doesn't sleep much, & is now a vegan (or was when > he > > > >stayed > > > > >with us years ago). So he managed to read a few books while we > slept, > > > & > > > > >discovered, as a result, Phyllis Webb, about whom he asked the next > > > day, > > > > >'Why haven't I ever heard of this great poet before?' I had told > him > > > she > > > >was > > > > >my choice for Canada's first Nobel.... > > > > > > > > > >Doug > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joseph Duemer > > Professor of Humanities > > Clarkson University > > [sharpsand.net] > > > -- Joseph Duemer Professor of Humanities Clarkson University [sharpsand.net]