"I would like to hypothesise why though" Go on. Long live Free speech! Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Langston" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: Re: multiple equalities There does definitely seem to be more females involved within disability support, though isnt that the case for a lot of support areas generally? Despite the gender gap a high proportion of the posts on disforum are from males....not sure I would like to hypothesise why though! :-) Faye Faye Langston Disabilities Co-ordinator Coventry University Priory Street Coventry CV1 5FB 02476 888309 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Conway Sent: 28 June 2007 13:55 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: multiple equalities Yes, I noticed the gender bias when I was the only male attending the ADSHE networking day last year! Dr John S Conway FGS FRGS MNADP FHEA Disability Officer / Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair, Research Committee Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS 01285 652531 ext 2234 fax 01285 650219 http://www.rac.ac.uk/index.php?_id=590 email [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Velarde Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:45 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: multiple equalities Hi. John. I know that this is a hot issue but in my observation, there is a bias but not related to race and ethnicity ( or I might have not perceived it) but related to gender. the majority composition of DOS/SWrs seem to be that female. Perhaps it is not as evident as in other professions like say nursing, though. Ta, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Conway" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: multiple equalities Since we've started a discussion on the relative merits of different "equality" issues, can I sound everyone out about the relationship between disability and ethnicity? A colleague read Paul Brown's motion at the UCU congress and felt that he should have added something about "from a white perspective" - implying that any movement towards disability equality should also include the race equality perspective. This set me wondering about issues of race equality within disability provision. How many disabled students are from BME backgrounds [not international students] - how many disability practitioners are from BME?? Are there any perceived issues where practitioners are all "white" and students are "BME" [or vice versa]? John. -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Velarde Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:15 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users Hi Paddy. As usual, your email is a very informative source. No bomb at all. My aim however is emancipatory with a passions for questioning the taken for granted (the unconscious truth we do not have the time to bother about but the one that determine our individual life history). There is a juxtaposition of 2 equality issues, which are not mutually exclusive, but complementary. I guess this issue brings about a dilemma in which disabled people are: Is it worth being categorised in order to be subject of welfare state issues? or should disabled people steer clear by claiming to be a difference, not a disability? Freedom does not come with out a cost. Or should we wait 200 years to receive a luck warm apology for what we are doing to other human beings? Best regards, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turner, Paddy" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users Hi Simon, I find this a tricky one and one where there is - surprise, surprise - some inconsistency. Here at Sheffield Hallam we have staff interpreters due to the relatively high numbers of deaf BSL users studying. The task of modifying the language of course materials is done by the interpreters but not costed or recovered through the DSA. I inherited this approach nine years ago and have not altered it since - it hasn't therefore been refused as such by LA's, we simply haven't asked. I worked on the assumption that since course material transcription, otherwise known as putting materials into accessible formats, was a University responsibility then so to would this activity be. However, as a member of CHESS (Consortium of HE Support Services with Deaf People) I am aware that many other HEI's do charge successfully for this work without demur from LA's. I believe there are other inconsistencies and have some fears that once the SLC get their grips on the system, they will very soon start to attempt to iron these out. In one sense this is A GOOD THING, isn't the removal of inconsistency always good? (another debate) In another sense it is A BAD THING. Bad because the use of interpreters in the classroom could be seen as putting course materials into an alternative format and therefore a University responsibility. If the SLC were to lean in that direction then there are a few Universities whose support budgets would quickly raise questions of 'reasonableness' in the minds of senior management. .....but hey, they wouldn't do that, would they??? Andy V - you're a cheeky thing and no mistake. Are you trying to wind up Support Services by suggesting that they shouldn't be charging for people who are not disabled but members of a linguistic minority......? Or are you trying to wind up the Deaf Community by suggesting they are hypocritical by denouncing the label of disability by claiming the linguistic minority label instead, whilst at the same time claiming allowances through DSA, DLA, AtoW etc? Come on now.....which little time bomb were you dropping exactly.....?? ;-) cheers all, Paddy Paddy Turner -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. on behalf of Morris, Simon Sent: Wed 6/27/2007 1:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users BSL this students first language, and English their second. Complex written information is difficult for BSL users to understand. It is important that an interpreter does this task, as they will need to ensure that the transcription is firstly a true representation of the facts, but also that they themselves are familiar with terms and the meanings, for when they are supporting the student in and out of class. In this case it was the students tutor for the deaf who recommended that the student access this support to ensure that the student had a true reflection of the spoken and written materials that are discussed and taught in class. The interpreter used in this case is also a trainee, so gained vital experience by doing the transcription into plain English on behalf of the students SLi. This also meant that the students DSA's were not paying the full expense of a fully qualified SLi. This area was heavily research prior to the original application, in conjunction with the SLi, and the tutor for the deaf as well as the student himself, which I might add was agreed by the LA, and only later withdrawn. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Simon Morris Disability Adviser Tel: +44 (0)1642 342279 Fax: +44 (0)1642 342289 [log in to unmask] ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Conway Sent: 27 June 2007 13:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Transcription of course materials for BSL users Forgive my ignorance of BSL, but why would such a rare creature as a BSL interpreter with special and very expensive skills be expected to transcribe course materials? Why not record and download via Dragon 9, or use a much cheaper note taker, or simply expect the university to provide much of the material electronically? John. ________________________________ From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Morris, Simon Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:03 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Transcription of course materials for BSL users Hi All, I need some urgent input on a case I am currently dealing with. I have a BSL user, who requested that he be able to access support from a Sign Language interpreter for the purpose of transcribing course materials into an accessible format. This support was agreed in February of this year. SFD Pilots have now reversed their decision and said that they won't support this application, as on reflection this is something the university should provide. I am stuck! Can anyone offer useful suggestions???......Please! Simon Morris Disability Adviser Tel: +44 (0)1642 342279 Fax:+44 (0)1642 342289 Adress: Disability Services Student Services Univeristy of Teesside Brough Road Middlesbrough TS1 3BA e-mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.tees.ac.uk/depts/studentservices/ This e-mail is confidential to the intended recipients. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. 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