Is not the key (relevant) question whether or not this is ultra vires?
If not, then we must assume that Parliament has allowed the expenditure as
within the powers of the LA to determine.
Regards
Jim
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tinsley, Chris
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:26 AM
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As you imply Tim it depends on your definition of outrageous. Personally I
take most things that could be an abuse of position as being outrageous,
Thousands dying in Darfur I would say was catastrophic.
I looked up outrageous using the define of Google
hideous: grossly offensive to decency or morality; causing horror
Perhaps it is not quite the most appropriate word, but one I don't think is
devalued by it's use in this context.
Interestingly Outrageous was also the fourth single released by Britney
Spears, now that really is devaluing.
Chris Tinsley MSc
Wiltshire County Council
Information is the key
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Sent: 08 June 2007 08:03
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I don't think that it's "outrageous". Thousands dying in Darfur is
outrageous. Ignoring climate change is outrageous. Councils paying a few
thousand pounds at the very most for member notifications - a cost incurred
because one is an elected member - may be irritating or annoying, but in my
personal opinion, expressing outrage devalues a useful and powerful word. If
a council has a member's budget, and the money comes out of there, what's
the problem?
Tim Turner
Data Protection / FOI Officer
Legal and Property Services
Wigan Council
Tel: 01942 488354 (ext 8354)
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tinsley, Chris
Sent: Thu 07 June 2007 15:55
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What is clear from this is that if members are working on behalf of the
council they are covered by the authorities notification.
If they are not working for the authority, if they are doing their own
constituancy work, compiling lists for campaigns etc. it is outrageous for
the council to provide them with public funds to cover their notification.
Chris Tinsley MSc
Wiltshire County Council
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau
Sent: 07 June 2007 15:05
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I have done a Google search and came up with this Press Notice from ICO on
17.5.07
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/pressreleases/2007/elected_members_gu
idance_250407%20_2_.pdf
The Good Practice Note is at
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/practical_app
lication/advice_elected_and_prospective_members_local_authorities.pdf.pdf
(http://preview.tinyurl.com/2oewbv)
I quote:
"3. As a representative of a political party
When acting on behalf of a political party, for instance as an office
holder, members are entitled to rely upon the notification made by the
party.
When individuals campaign on behalf of political parties to be the elected
members for a particular ward, they can rely on the parties' notification if
the party determines how and why the personal information is processed for
the purpose of their individual campaigns.
Individuals who are not part of any political party but campaign to be an
independent elected member for a particular ward, need to have their own
notification.
There is an exemption from notification where the only personal information
which is processed takes the form of paper records.
A standard form for notification by elected members has been created to
simplify the procedure. There is an annual fee of £35."
I have no doubt that those who work for councils are familiar with this, but
this is for those who don't.
I have looked further and this earlier advice seems clearer - in terms of
dealing with the activities that councillors carry out.
http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/practical_app
lication/local_authorities_-_elected_members_advice.pdf
(http://preview.tinyurl.com/yodrtk)
Nick Landau
Nick Landau's Profile on LinkedIn.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklandau1
The Numbers Game
http://uk.geocities.com/nicklgreen/Nos_Game
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From: RONAN DURNIN
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] Councillors[Scanned]
Slightly off the point here, but the ICO in Northern Ireland recently worked
with the Bar Library here to ensure all barristers understood their
obligations with regard to individual notification with the ICO. I would
have thought that a similar structural arrangement exists between
councillors and council.
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Ronan Durnin
Business Support Officer
NIGALA
79 Chichester Street
Belfast
BT1 4JE
(02890 316557 DDI)
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Julie Gibbs
Sent: 07 June 2007 14:07
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Hi Doreen
I have just embarked on the notification process for our Councillors and it
has been agreed that the authority will pay their fees. I am just waiting
for Accounts to come back to me to confirm where the money will come from.
Julie Gibbs
Information Officer
Crewe & Nantwich Borough Council
Tel: 01270 537733
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Broom, Doreen
Sent: 07 June 2007 12:06
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Subject: [data-protection] Councillors
Hi All
I was doing my 4 yearly presentation to new Councillors etc. yesterday and
informed them that they would probably have to notify with the IC on a
yearly basis for their constituency casework and it would cost them £35.
Some of the newer ones thought that they shouldn't have to as it was council
business but I had to point out that it wasn't.
I wonder if you can help - do you pay for your Councillors' notification?
Thanks,
Doreen
Doreen Broom
Access to Information Officer
Scottish Borders Council
Corporate Resources - Corporate Administration
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