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There's a fair amount of competition, with fortunately no need to annoint a winner. Mark At 10:42 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote: >du fu? together with sappho, the best lyric poet in world history. >ana > >----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew burke" <[log in to unmask]> >To: <[log in to unmask]> >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:32 AM >Subject: Re: translating Japanese > > >>In my case it is Mandarin I am trying to translate. I have read a >>million and one translations of Li Bai (aka Li Po) and Du Fu (aka Tu >>Fu), but so many are either dull English or factually and >>linguistically inaccurate that I have had the effrontery to enlist the >>help of a local Mandarin-speaking English teacher (Chinese local) - >>well-educated and sharp as a tack - but still very conservative with >>literature. She does the initial 'word' translations of characters, >>then takes me through the characters, telling me in more expansive >>terms what they mean. We leave the syntax and rhetoric until I start >>to make sentences, phrase, or whatever is appropriate. Then my first >>draft goes back to her, and she (invariably) pulls me up on a few >>points. The impossible element to translate is the form. My knowledge >>of Chinese cultural and social history is going through a giant growth >>spurt, but it would take years of dedicated study to actually become >>proficient enough to do it on my own. So, just a dabble trying to >>correct some wrongs a little. >> >>Soon, some will be ready for unveiling if Tian (ever!) agrees with me. >> >>I am also going to do some more inventive versions, just to see how >>they turn out. I like messing with the masters - but we won't tell >>Tian that just yet >g< She is less than half my age but more >>conservative by a country mile! >> >> >>Androo >> >> >> >>On 17/05/07, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>looking through andrew's excellent photies, I came across this: >>> >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/501935591/ >>> >>>on which he says, 'translations forthcoming'. Which reminded me that >>>one of my projects is to speak and read Japanese. Obviously, for >>>speaking, get a teacher. But how does one go about translating? With >>>French, I got a French-English dictionary and go through a chosen >>>piece. How does one go about translating Japanese into English? >>> >>>Roger >>> >>>-- >>>My Stuff: http://www.badstep.net/ >>>"Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious." Oscar Wilde >> >> >>-- >>Andrew >>http://hispirits.blogspot.com/ >>http://www.inblogs.net/hispirits >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/ >> >>Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. >>Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em >>16/05/2007 / Versão: 5.1.00/5032 >>Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://mail.terra.com.br/ >> >> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 >>- Release Date: 18/4/2007 07:39 >>