This was intended to be a personal comment to Doreen - although I would
stand by it. But it is really outside the terms of the group.
Nick Landau
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Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] UK Elections and Secrecy
> It shows that it is important that people get involved in politics (or
> local affairs) so that they now how things work. It is nearly 30 years
> since I was involved in local politics and it is only recently that the
> rules have changed - postal voting as well as continuous electoral
> registers.
>
> N
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Broom, Doreen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "Nick Landau" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:03 PM
> Subject: RE: UK Elections and Secrecy
>
>
> The signature comes in the postal vote envelope and all are checked and
> that they tally up with the number.
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Landau [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 03 May 2007 14:02
> To: Broom, Doreen
> Subject: Re: UK Elections and Secrecy
>
> Of course, not in the Scottish Borders!
>
> I would probably argue that that means the success of the system, rather
>
> than it is overkill.
>
> But you have now to provide a copy of your signature to the electoral
> register for postal ballots. I am not sure that if this is done before
> each
> election.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Broom, Doreen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "Nick Landau" <[log in to unmask]>;
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:56 PM
> Subject: RE: UK Elections and Secrecy
>
>
> Maybe it's just that we are all honest up here as we have never ever had
> to investigate any such fraud............
> D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau
> Sent: 03 May 2007 13:46
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: UK Elections and Secrecy
>
> I assume that Tim meant that a less honest Government (or maybe their
> supporters) could open the ballot boxes and match the numbers on the
> ballot
> papers with the voters list and collate the party voted for.
>
> This would require a lot of statistical or clerical revolutionaries, in
> the
> mayhem of a revolution.
>
> Of course, in societies where the ballot is not secret you get 99 per
> cent
> voting for the ruling party - either because they daren't vote otherwise
> or
> there is no admission of a revolution.
>
> I suppose one might say that we don't something to be so secret that it
> cannot be identified whether a massive fraud has taken place.
>
> I speak as someone who was both a Returning Officer of a Students Union
> (where after all many politicians honed their electoral skills and
> tricks)
> and the Electoral Officer many years ago of a Constituency Political
> Party.
>
> Nick Landau
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Broom, Doreen
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [data-protection] UK Elections and Secrecy
>
>
> Staff are not able to identify people from it. At the end of the night
> they
> are all sealed in envelopes/boxes and are kept for a year and then
> destroyed. In this Council they all go to the Sheriff Clerk's Office
> where
> they are locked away and the only way they are opened is if there is
> suspicion of an election fraud and the envelopes/boxes would be opened
> for
> that purpose.
>
> Candidates may obtain lists of people who voted but this does not
> identify
> who the person voted for.
>
> This is Friday for me as I shall be working at the election count and
> won't
> get to my bed until the early hours of tomorrow morning.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
> Sent: 03 May 2007 13:16
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: UK Elections and Secrecy
>
> I have just been to vote. I am a good boy, apparently. But I have a
> perennial rant about the alleged secrecy of UK elections.
>
> As is the norm, my electoral roll number has been logged against the
> numbered ballot papers I was given. Thus, after an act of parliament
> has
> been passed to investigate electoral corruption, my vote can be known
> and
> recorded against my name.
>
> We live in a good democracy and our parliament is not particularly
> corrupt,
> despite individual corrupt politicians, and, as such, this act is
> unlikely
> to be passed. But picture a less good democracy with the sudden rise to
>
> power of the neo Crypto Fascist Party.
>
> They do not like anyone who votes against them, and their new victory
> means
> that they pass this act and log all the votes. People are then
> questioned
> about their political beliefs, and some of them find the questioning
> harmful
> to health.
>
> Am I alone in finding this non anonymous system to be somewhat
> threatening?
> And also in what way does it comply with the sensitive data element of
> the
> DPA 1998?
>
>
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