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Dear Ruth, I guess the difference between the supervising and the co-authorship network is that co-authoring is a lot more open than supervising and hence more network-like. What you are missing with the tree of supervision is people like me, that are formally supervised by someone external to the space syntax community, but I do use a lot of space syntax in my PhD and I discuss my work with Alan, so in a way he is supervising, without being my formal supervisor. But as we have published papers together, you would find a link in co-author networks between the two of us. BTW, I know that the Social Network community (INSNA - international network of social network analysis) repeatedly researches their own patterns of networking at their annual sunbelt conferences. This research is a cooperation between Timothy Huerta (University of British Columbia), Ines Mergel (Harvard) and Jennifer van Stelle (Stanford) and I guess they have published their work somewhere. Cheers, Kerstin Ruth Conroy Dalton wrote: > I have seen multi-rooted 'trees' in other academic geneology archives; > these can only occur if a student has been jointly supervised, to the > extent that both academics are 'cited' as being co-supervisors. I don't > think that we permit joint-first supervisors at UCL, but perhaps other > institutions do. > > Of course - if we could put in links to include second supervisors and > then some kind of tertiary link for external examiners, it could get > much more 'networky' and less dendritic. (If I put this into Pajek, I > could use edge-weights for these - 3 for primary supervisor, 2 for > secondary supervisor and 1 for an external examiner...) > > I wonder what the relationship between the geneological tree and the > co-author network would look like? On the one hand, it is not uncommon > to publish with one's supervisor, however, I would imagine that the > co-author network might be more concentrated on 'inter-generational' > links (i.e. you are more likely to publish with your 'peers' than your > 'parents'). However, I've not thought this through too deeply. It's > interesting that space syntax talks about social networks all the time > and yet we do not stop to study our own. Is this a case of shoemaker's > children being ill-shod or is it another phenomenon? > > Ruth > > ps - I've had a few in so far - more would be welcome. > > >> Well given that the family tree is a tree then the most integrated >> person is going to be either the root or in the case of a multi rooted >> tree the root with most connections. >> >> Luacs's co-citation network would most likely to be more interesting >> from the integration point of view. >> >> sheep >> >> >> On 4 Apr 2007, at 18:42, Frederico de Holanda wrote: >> >>> Dear Ruth, please find bilow the information. >>> Regards >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> >>> Frederico de Holanda >>> >>> Cond. Vivendas Colorado 1, Mod. J, Casa 1 >>> 73070-015 Brasília DF >>> Brasil >>> >>> Fone / Phone: (0xx61) 34859641 / +556134859641 >>> Celular / Mobile: (0xx61) 99861724 / +556199861724 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Ruth Conroy Dalton <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:30 AM >>> >>> *Subject:* Academic 'Family Tree' >>> >>> >>> For the purposes of a paper I am writing and, mostly, purely for >>> reasons of interest, I am trying to put together the 'academic >>> family tree' for space syntax. Many other fields have done this - >>> the most detailed example is the mathematical one, which can be >>> found at http://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/ >>> >>> >>> Barsically, for those who don't know, one's academic 'parent' is >>> your doctoral supervisor (PhD, I'm afraid, masters do not count) >>> and your own students, upon successful completion, are your >>> 'children'. So far I have been putting together the primary UCL >>> branches, but I'd now like to hear from anyone who has a PhD >>> which mostly uses space syntax methods (please use sensible >>> judgement here), equally, if you have supervised such PhDs, a >>> list of your completed students. Once I have put this together, I >>> will place the results online, so that it can be searchable. >>> >>> >>> So - if you ever wanted to know your parents, nephews, or second >>> cousins twice removed, then this is how to find out! >>> >>> >>> Ideally I'd like >>> >>> >>> Name: Frederico de Holanda >>> >>> Year of PhD thesis: 1997 >>> >>> Title of thesis: Exceptional space >>> >>> Supervisor: Bill Hillier >>> >>> >>> (But it's the name and supervisor that are most important) >>> >>> >>> (In the American system, this would be the chair of your >>> committee or in the UK system your primary supervisor). >>> >>> >>> For those interested, >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_genealogy >>> >>> >>> There are some good links from the Wikipedia entry. I >>> particularly like the neurology one. >>> >>> >>> Just think - if we eventually have the full network, we could >>> identify the most 'integrated' individuals! >>> >>> >>> By the way, my hunch is that we've made it to four generations >>> already - but there may be a few surprises. Please respond. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Ruth >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ---------------------------- >>> >>> Dr Ruth Conroy Dalton >>> Room 334 >>> The Bartlett School of Graduate Studies >>> >>> University College London >>> >>> 1-19 Torrington Place >>> >>> London WC1E 6BT >>> >>> Tel. +44 20 7679 5924 >>> >>> Fax +44 20 7916 1887 >>> >>> ---------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Informação do NOD32 2168 (20070404) __________ >>> >>> Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo NOD32 Sistema Antivírus >>> http://www.nod32.com.br >>> > > -- Kerstin Sailer | 8 Park Avenue North | London N8 7RT | UK mobile: +44 77 83404773 | ICQ # 194141160 www.kerstinsailer.de