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Yes, it makes sense, Doug--as does Dominic's "commons." But I have been commenting all along the thread on the issue of _attribution_, not so much on lifting work by others per se (i.e., plagiarism). But rather, doing so without acknowledgment, which is what Dylan did in _Modern Times_. This doesn't seem all that "complicated" to me, though the various laws and rules certainly can be. And many of those only arose in the mid-1970s, though the notion of copyright was inspired by Wordsworth. I think the question I posed to Joe about plagiarism among his students is obvious and valid. Candice --- Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > This gets so complicated, Candice, & I'm sure Joe & > others have already > replied (being off for a day or so), but plagiarism > & borrowing or > allusions are very different things I think. There's > also the > possibility of giving some notes if necessary. But I > just came across, > was reminded of, a book by a fellow poet, where one > of the ghazals > says, 'I'm made of echoes,' & that perhaps gets to > the heart of the > matter. > > I really believe there's no way any well read (& I > don't want any other > kind of) writer doesn't write within a hall of > echoes, or 'intertexts' > as they're theorized. > > But how well the writers utilize them (& recognize > that they are > echoing) has much to do with whether or not our > response is > welcoming.... > > Pure copying, though: plagiarism as you say, well, > that's something > else.... > > Does that make sense? > On 24-Mar-07, at 9:51 AM, MC Ward wrote: > > > Joe, I'm surprised to hear you take this stance > and > > wonder how you handle plagiarism by your > students(?). > > > > Candice > Douglas Barbour > 11655 - 72 Avenue NW > Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9 > (780) 436 3320 > http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ > > Latest book: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) > http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 > > > You've got to find some way of saying it > without sayng it. > > Duke Ellington > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/