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whoa, neat, & thanks Roger. I sort of knew the latter bit but had never thought of the former... Doug On 1-Mar-07, at 11:52 PM, Roger Day wrote: > That'll be Oxford, but the phrase doesn't derive from that according > to this: > > http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/210800.html Douglas Barbour 11655 - 72 Avenue NW Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9 (780) 436 3320 http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ Latest book: Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy) http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 There was no sign of survivors, and the poetry reading went on. Tony Perniciaro