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Nicely put Amanda. Frank _____ From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amanda Dowson Sent: 20 March 2007 08:59 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] hospital appts and paid time off work Hi all I have read and agreed with most of the sentiments expressed but would like to put forward a pragmatic slant. If we are to ensure equity and parity to all employees: * how do we define 'genuine' or 'weaker softer and less important health reasons'? . * When is too many appointments too many? * How far away is too far? Employees like to see that they are treated fairly. If we are allowing some to have treatment and not others because of our own interpretations of what is genuine or not, we run the risk of causing disharmony amongst the team we seek to care for (or not). There have been times in my OH career that I have seen people who quite frankly I disliked because I felt they were taking the mickey out of a system. But does that mean that they are not genuine cases? My advice is therefore this: Clarify it in policy or sit back and cringe, but don't start implementing ad hoc responses to some employees based on the fact that they appear to be pushing boundaries that haven't been clearly identified. If your policy doesn't identify this as a problem, perhaps its time to review it, your working party may wish to decide whether to apply the policy to the current problem. Best wishes Amanda Dowson RGN RSCPHN(OH) BA(Hons) CMIOSH Occupational Health Advisor Peritus Health Management I High Street Brighouse HD6 1DE Tel / Fax 01484 722444 www.peritushealth.com -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Holton Sent: 20 March 2007 07:39 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] hospital appts and paid time off work There is a differnce as to how i would react if was the manager in this situation. e.g. CASE 1 - If i knew OH had got a report from the treating specialist so reasons were know to be genuine and the employee was seen first appt or last appt of the day so only a little late or going home a little early. E.g regular appointments with plastics due to a significant burn or regular appointments in order to go to councelling following a significant death or trauma in the family CASE 2 - However if the "medical" appoitment was for a weaker, softer less important to health reason and more to do with patient choice and the employee picked appointments at mid day at a far away hospital so had a whole day off every 3 weeks I guess what trying to say is if the employee can minimise the time away from the workplace and you have a medical report with a good medical justification it may be easier to pursade the employer. There are no set laws describing this scenario - but worth looking in diana kloss book and gretas book to see if any CASE LAW about this area Good Luck - sarah Quoting Chloe Coleridge <[log in to unmask]>: > That's the line I was thinking on..anyone else any thoughts? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Sarah Holton > Sent: 19 March 2007 21:47 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] hospital appts and paid time off work > > humm... could it maybe be thought of as the employers duty of care to > the individual to stay healthy??? > > Quoting Chloe Coleridge <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Dear all >> >> Can you advise me on the following from a legal aspect: >> If an employee has a medical condition (not DDA) which requires him to >> attend hospital for medical treatment (not ante natal care!!!) every > 3 >> weeks, resulting in time off work, is there anything (law wise) saying >> whether the company should pay the employee for this period away from >> work, or whether it should be taken as unpaid leave/annual leave/time > to >> be made up later? Obviously individual companies have different > policies >> regarding this, but I wondered if there was anything from our dear >> parliament on this matter. >> Many thanks >> >> Chloe >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. >> For list archives and documents, go to >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html >> >> FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH >> >> For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net >> >> Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at >> http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Please remove this footer before replying. >> >> For list archives and documents, go to >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html >> >> FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: >> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH >> >> For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net >> >> Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at >> http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remove this footer before replying. > > For list archives and documents, go to > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html > > FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH > > For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net > > Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at > http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remove this footer before replying. > > For list archives and documents, go to > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html > > FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH > > For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net > > Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at > http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. For list archives and documents, go to http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 18/03/2007 15:34 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 18/03/2007 15:34 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. For list archives and documents, go to http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. For list archives and documents, go to http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html FORTHCOMING CONFERENCES AND EVENTS: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/filearea.cgi?LMGT1=OCC-HEALTH For Occupational Health jobs, go to http://OHJobs.drmaze.net Find out about Occupational Health Nursing Education in UK at http://home.wlv.ac.uk/~in6232/aohne/