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Fair points Judy. It was Eagles of
Death Metal that caught my eye – possibly one of the most
heterosexual-oriented bands on the planet. Bizarre.
The situation that may be developing is
pretty scary, and worrying. There is talk in
From:
Judy Hemingway [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 15 March 2007 11:19
To:
Cc: Judy Hemingway
Subject: RE: Changing Homosexuals
into Ordinary People
Dear Critters,
It seems that I may have adopted a minority position
when taking Jon’s posting about Donnie Davies’ list of
‘dangerous bands’ more seriously than others.
As someone who has taught secondary school geography
(and occasionally history) in various countries I’m only too aware of
dangerous books lists and being obliged to select those that will get past the
censors even if they arrive defaced (eg atlases with maps of Israel ripped out
and book sections on population control removed, quite apart from heavy black
lines obliterating particular words). In some schools where I have
taught, all mention of the conflicts in
While many have laughed at Jon’s posting and
variously described the list of bands as ‘parody’,
‘irony’, ‘amusing’ and ‘fun’, I would
suggest that you are able to laugh as insiders because you ‘know
better’. Not wishing to irritate some of you, my regional
co-ordinator described such responses as ‘limited political
answers’. Her point was that when such lists get into the hands of
neo-conservatives, for example those in the American Bible Belt, the effects
are not funny but disenfranchising. To pick up on
Some groups are trying to
get the books used in the No Outsiders project banned – even though
schools across the country have had various of the titles on their shelves for
years. Yesterday, one blog on the project had some particularly
unpleasant comments on the books and the project director http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/03/homosexual_prop.html
Perhaps I do take things a bit too
seriously, but for those of you know the
Thanks Jon for your emails –
very thought provoking.
Judy.
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
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Sent: 14 March 2007 13:02
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Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
A friend of mine recently had an interesting encounter
at a school
governors meeting, where one of the Governors
complained about the
contents of a book/story (the one where the prince
marries another man)
their child had be 'exposed to', that she did not want
her child exposed
to such views, and complained that the 'no outsiders'
project had in
fact made her feel like an outsider...
She maintained this line in the face of some
criticism.
The band list is very, very amusing!
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
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Sent: 13 March 2007 22:42
Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
That list of bands that turn you gay is so off-base it
had red parody
flags all over it. Some people have made efforts to
locate the
perpetrator. See
http://www.newspeakblog.com/the_blog/donnie_davies_fan_club/index.html
and http://www.counterbias.com/844.html.
Tamar
Dr. Tamar Y. Rothenberg
Assistant Professor
Department of History
________________________________
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers on
behalf of Judy
Hemingway
Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
Hello Jon,
Thanks for CHOP
promote homosexuality. I'm a geography educator
based at the Institute
of Education,
called No Outsiders: researching approaches to
sexualities equalities
in primary schools www.nooutsiders.sunderland.ac.uk
<http://www.nooutsiders.sunderland.ac.uk/>
. My geographical
contribution is to 'enrich' the project by looking at
the spatial
politics of heteronormativity and
homophobia.
Following a not entirely accurate article about the
project in The
Observer on Sunday, 11 March 2007 'The prince married
a man, and lived
happily ever after'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html
the No
Outsiders team has attracted additional interest from
religious and
other groups some of which contend that the fairy
tales (like the bands
and presumably their songs) are dangerous and that the
PI is 'wicked'
(see links below).
I wonder what evidence there is to support arguments
that pop cult can
make you queer.
IOE IN THE NEWS
Coverage of the No Outsiders project which is
conducted by the
INSTITUTE,
introduces books dealing with gay issues to children
aged 4 to 11 in
fourteen schools.
* The prince married a man, and lived happily ever
after - Guardian at
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html
<http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html>
* Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school -
Mail at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
_id=441542&in_page_id=1770
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_articl
e_id=441542&in_page_id=1770>
* Pro-gay kids' books launched - The Sun at
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007110660,00.html
<http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007110660,00.html>
* Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school -
New Nation News
Reporters Newsroom at
http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=99148
<http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=99148>
* Gay friendly stories for primary school kids - Life
Style Extra at
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=OM1134948G&news_headline=gay_fr
iendly_stories_for_primary_school_kids
<http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=OM1134948G&news_headline=gay_f
riendly_stories_for_primary_school_kids>
* Gay fairy tales for primary school children -
Pinknews.co.uk at
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3893.html
<http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3893.html>
IoE in blogs
* The school curriculum: gay penguins - at
http://fulhamreactionary.blogspot.com/2007/03/school-curriculum-gay-peng
uins.html
<http://fulhamreactionary.blogspot.com/2007/03/school-curriculum-gay-pen
guins.html>
IOE IN THE NEWS
Further coverage of the No Outsiders project which is
conducted by the
INSTITUTE,
* Primary school kids in gay book scheme. Gay.com. 12
March 2007
http://uk.gay.com/article/5403
<http://uk.gay.com/article/5403>
* Gay fairy tales will have no happy ending. Express p
11
TV and Radio programmes featuring the project
* Today programme on Radio 4 on 13 March 2007
* Panel discussion about the books on Channel 5's 'The
Wright Stuff'.
* Interview with Radio New
(Friday morning in NZ).
Blogs mentioning No Outsiders project
* Re: A world slowly going mad.
http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.arts.tv.uk.coronationst/
<http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.arts.tv.uk.coronationst/>
* The prince married a man, and lived happily ever
after.
http://www.inthedays.com/days-of-lot/the-prince-married-a-man-and-lived-
happily-ever-after/
<http://www.inthedays.com/days-of-lot/the-prince-married-a-man-and-lived
-happily-ever-after/>
* Comments on the newspaper article by Daily Mail:
Four-year-olds will
get gay fairytales at school.
http://feenxp.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-year-olds-will-get-gay-fairytale
s.html
<http://feenxp.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-year-olds-will-get-gay-fairytal
es.html> ;
http://www.congresscheck.com/archives/796
<http://www.congresscheck.com/archives/796>
*
http://familyrelationships.org.uk/2007/03/12/uk-primary-school-kids-to-g
et-books-that-introduce-gay-relationships
<http://familyrelationships.org.uk/2007/03/12/uk-primary-school-kids-to-
get-books-that-introduce-gay-relationships>
Judy.
Judy Hemingway
Research Assistant
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+44 (0)20 7612 6792
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url:
www.ioe.ac.uk/mst <http://www.ioe.ac.uk/mst>
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Jon Cloke
Sent: 12 March 2007 17:41
Subject: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
Deep apologies but I couldn't resist this one, from
the country that
brought
you the conservapedia - Donnie Davies, self-confessed
'reformed
homosexual'
and his Love God's Way Ministry
(http://lovegodsway.org/C.H.O.P.S.).
Anyone
know anything about this? Comes over as fairly Monty
Python but check
out
the list of bands it's dangerous to listen to in case
they turn you
homosexual...
"One of the most dangerous ways homosexuality
invades family life is
through
popular music. Parents should keep careful watch over
their children's
listening habits, especially in this Internet Age of
MP3 piracy.
Bands to watch out for
* The Spores (endorse suicide)
* Scissor Sisters
* Turbonegro
* Rufus Wainwright
* Merzbau
*
* Wilco
* Bjork (mb)
* Tech N9ne
* Ghostface Killah
* Bobby
* Morton Subotnik
* Cole Porter
* The String Cheese Incident
* Eagles of Death Metal
* Polyphonic
* The Faint
* Interpol
* Twisted Sister (jj)
* Tegan and Sara
* Erasure
* The Grateful Dead (drugs too)
* Le Tigre
* Marilyn Manson (dark gay)
* The Gossip
* The Magnetic Fields
* The Doors
* Phish
* Queen
* The Strokes
* Morrissey(?questionable?)
* Metallica
* Judas Priest
* The Village People
* The Secret Handshake
* The Rolling Stones
* David Bowie
* Frankie Goes to
* Man or Astroman
* Richard Cheese
* Jay-Z
* Depeche Mode
*
* Ani DiFranco
* Fischerspooner
* John Mayer
* George Michael (texan)
* Angel Eyes
* The Indigo Girls
* Velvet Underground
* Madonna
* Elton John
* Barry Manilow
* Indigo Girls
* Melissa Etheridge
* Eminmen
* Nirvana
* Boy George*
* The Killers
* Lou Reed
* Lil'
* Motorhead
* Jill Sobule
* Wilson Phillips
* DMX
* Wesley Willis
* Lisa Loeb
* Ted Nugent (loincloth)
* Dogstar
* Thirty Seconds to Mars
* Lil' Kim
* kd lang
* Frank Sinatra
* Hinder
* Nickleback
* Justus Kohncke
* Bob Mould
* Clay Aiken
*
* Bright Eyes
* Corinne Bailey Rae
* Audioslave
* Red Hot Chili Peppers
* Panic at the Disco
* The Cure (makeup)
* Spin Doctors
* The Deers
* Lindsey Lohan
* The Smiths
* Beck
* Tom Waits
* The Cramps
* Cannibal Corpse
* Britney Spears(kissed Madonna)
* Perfect Sin
* The Queers
* NoFx(gay punk)
* Soup Dragons
* Elton John(really gay)
In Our effort to keep this list up to date we'd
appreciate your help. If
you
know of a band that is Gay or propogating a Gay
message please email us
so
we can update. Donnie is handling this his email is:
The response is overwhelming. You guys know of a lot
more Gay Bands than
I
do. I can't keep up. Hopefully soon we'll have it so
you can add them by
yourself.
(c)2007 Love God's Way"
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