"Unmindful CBT" - perhaps tradtional CBT -  helps people identify dispute and debate unhelpful cognitions, recognise and change thinking errors, etc.
 
Mindfulness based cognitive therapy teaches a different set of skills - that of gaining more seperation and distance from ones thoughts, rather than seeing them as "wrong" and in need of disputation. it involves watching them without trying to change them. And some people find this helpful, and it seems to be effective in preventing relapse in depression.
 
You can be "cognitive" and do lots of thinking without being "mindful"
 
Tim
 
 
 


Craig Newnes AOL <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Miller Mair, Wittgenstein and Russell all point to one of the curious aspects of what can and can't be described in language. This is the tendency to reveal absurdity and vacuity in our use of terms like "mindful". If you want to shred the idea of mindfulness in CBT just ask the question, "What would unmindful CBT look like?" The answer is likely to be a) I don't want it and b) How can something claiming to be Cognitive be unmindful? Come back Derrida - all is forgiven.
C
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Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Mental health special IOS Sunday Review magazine this Sunday

Dear Craig and all,
 
Shame about the censorship . . . personally I would have far preferred your 'Are we all mad?' to have been published in 'The Independent on Sunday' Sunday Review today rather than any of the pieces actually published. Rufus' piece (and cover illustration) is classic Rufus but the whole special issue raises lots of problematic issues for me.
 
However the piece by Cecilia d'Felice ('Psychological warfare') is especially dreadful with its shameful promotion of the most shallow and ideologically problematic of 'interventions', not least her endorsement of  call centre delivery of CBT inspired nonsense by telephone, which she suggests is a 'community based model'!
 
What about a Rachael style collective UK CP List email about the piece to the Independent on Sunday Sunday Review?
 
By the way Craig, in your piece you wrote "Watch out for . . . .. Mindfulness-based CBT at a venue near you in the next few years." I note that on Cecilia d'Felice's website (http://www.drceciliadfelice.com/home.htm), she  refers to 'Continuing Professional Development' in amongst other things 'Mindfulness Workshop with Jon Kabat-Zinn drawing on mindfulness techniques when working with people with stress, pain and illness' and under 'Models of Psychotherapy' she refers to ' Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT)'
aaaggghhh . . . the next few years is here already
For more grisly detail from Cd'F's website (pasted in) see below
David
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  • Full chartered member of the Clinical Division of the British Psychological Society (www.bps.org.uk) adhering to the BPS ethical and professional framework.
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  • Working in the NHS at the Royal Free Hospital, Hampstead in Adult Mental Health.
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  • Professional Doctorate in Clinical Psychology (DClinPsychol)
  • B.Sc. Honours degree in Psychology and Sociology (First Class Part I and Part II) with undergraduate prizes awarded including the Pearson Prize for making an ‘Outstanding Contribution to Psychology’.
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Research at:
  • Institute of Psychiatry (www.iop.kcl.ac.uk)
  • Awarded Medical Research Council Pre-doctoral fellowship in Behavioural Genomics.
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  • MA in Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy
  • Jungian Analytical Psychology
  • Pesso Boyden System Psychomotor (www.pbsp.com)
  • Development of Psychoanalytic Theory
  • Psychodynamic Psychotherapy for Older Adults
  • Mindfulness Workshop with Jon Kabat-Zinn drawing on mindfulness techniques when working with people with stress, pain and illness.
Models of Psychotherapy - find more about these models HERE
  • Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT)
  • Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy (MBCT)
  • Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy.
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ere u go
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Could you post "Are we all mad" on this list Craig, if your piece has been censored by the editors?  I am particularly keen to be able to read it 'cos of "politics"'!
David
PS Would the editors concerned be the editors of the Sunday Review magazine?
David Fryer
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Interestingly I did a commissioned piece for Rufus last year for this special. It was called "Are we all mad" and was the first paper delivered, well within the deadline. I just heard from Rufus that the editors won't use it cos of "politics." The piece examined the vested interest in calling others mad and taking on survivor identities. This new news may mean they are using it after all - tho I doubt it
C
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Dear All,
I am forwarding on this message from Rufus May as it may be of wide interest
David
 
From: Rufus May [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Fri 16/03/2007 23:44
To: David Fryer; ......................
Subject: Mental health special IOS Sunday Review magazine this Sunday

Hello everybody... can you please spread the word about this Sunday's Independent on Sunday Review magazine:
The journey through 'mental elf' problems can be a spiritual process. A time of crisis, reflection and regeneration.  In this special issue we look at the whole mental health continuum, how people have dealt with and transcended their difficulties and gone on to make a contribution to life. People who have been silenced are reclaiming their voices and hopefully this will lead to radical change in how we listen and respond to madness. Many thanks, Rufus May, Guest Editor

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