<snip> my autocratic (and hence totalitarian) poetics as opposed to your democratic poetics [Chris J] <snip> I'm puzzled by this, so better late than never, I suppose... If by 'democratic' you mean a poetics that is socially constructivist, more or less, then what is 'autocratic'? Presumably not the obverse: a poetics in which there are only transcendent truths. So is it something weaker, either a contradictory (all... v some...) or subcontrary (some... v some...) relationship? Anyway, here is something you said earlier: <snip> Well, as Frederick suggests, it [life?] is a move from the first person personal narrative to third person universal immanent critique [Chris J] <snip> That move from first to third sounds a bit like Piaget, for whom (via the transitional phase of egocentric speech, of self address) the inner speech of the child becomes the socialised speech of adults. Likewise Fred's observation (I rework it just a little) that *feeling* is to *I* as social and ethical entailments are to *s/he* and *they*. All narrative, or so it seems to me, is both ontologically subjective on the one hand and epistemologically objective on the other, with 'let's pretend' in the middle, as a sort of bridge between private and public thought, between Hume's *is* and his *ought*. But that is not, I think, a matter of the pronouns, or not of the pronouns per se. My own preference is for the social constructivism of Vygotsky. Here things go the other way, not from but _towards_ the self, and where the alterity of egocentric speech is (audibly) a drawing of the social subject out of and from the world, a process of individuation up to the point at which 'shared apperception is complete and absolute' in the inner speech of the older child and of the adult. But there is, I think, a dilemma nonetheless. Should we (or do we, in fact) see ethics our entry upon the world, as our opportunity to talk about what other people do and/or ought to do, a sort of deontic imperium (more or less fiercely policed) in which the actors of whom we write or speak are of a different order of being rather as in US foreign policy US citizens are of one order of being and everyone else is of another? Or do we view ethics as our individuation, our resistance to what is pre-ordained, in us as in the world? If the latter, then there is indeed an immanent critique through the actions which we take and the discourses that we generate in becoming and ceasing to be (part) members of the collectives to which we (partly) belong(ed); history, in other words, is full of contradictions. If the former, then the idea of an immanent critique becomes a bit of a sham, because there will always be an area in our discourse as in our social behaviour that remains beyond critique rather as US foreign policy involves some sort of myth of full achievement about conditions back home. And so, having said all that, I come back to pronouns again: <snip> One of the big problems with moving from a first person lyric/narrative to third person narrative is the I that in the third person does not say I but is implied, especially when this involves dabbling in abject subject matter. [Chris J] <snip> Again the issue seems to me one of bridging, and of Wittgenstein's 'refinement' of language relative to the deed, rather than one of pronouns or of pronouns per se. So, in general, I don't see much distinction (other than in degrees of relative animicity) between an implied *I* and one that is fully explicit. Denature the language into a sort of articulate neutrality, on the other hand, and the implicit *I* (if it's there; it isn't always) is revealed standing at the boundary of the discourse as a sort of sovereign, both making the Law and standing above the Law. Which is interesting; the parallel is with God. As to abjection, one gets a hint of how 'the abject has only one quality of the object and that is being opposed to I' in, say, the semantic differences between 'I was unpopular', 'they wanted to see the back of me' and 'he wanted to see my back'. However, reductions in relative animicity of this sort are generally available whatever the narrative mode. And of course the linguistic transformation of animate human subjectivity into animals such as pigs, dogs and so forth, vectors of pollution or 'pieces' are all practical stages along a road that leads ultimately to extermination. One finds what is essentially the same syntactically ergative formulation at the beginning of *The Trial*, in which the exteriority of Josef K relative to what is happening to him (the same individuated exteriority as that of the 'man from the country' relative to the Law in the parable of the doorkeeper later on) is first announced: 'Someone must have slandered Josef K' ('Jemand mußte Josef K. verleumdet haben'). But again it isn't the pronouns that are made to bear the load. CW _______________________________________________ 'What's the point of having a language that everybody knows?' (Gypsy inhabitant of Barbaraville)